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Can someone explain to me why our youth system is bad?
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:18 pm
Pay for play - I honestly don't even know what this really means. Kids pay to play every sport. The US does fine in those sports. What am I missing?
Why does everyone assume our academy system sucks? I live in Dallas, so maybe it's different elsewhere. FC Dallas has a fully funded Academy that puts out great teams and great talent. Is that not the case inother markets?
Why do I keep hearing we need to let inner city kids play for free? Almost every team in the youth system has scholarships for kids.
Why does everyone assume our academy system sucks? I live in Dallas, so maybe it's different elsewhere. FC Dallas has a fully funded Academy that puts out great teams and great talent. Is that not the case inother markets?
Why do I keep hearing we need to let inner city kids play for free? Almost every team in the youth system has scholarships for kids.
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:22 pm to Xenophon
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Pay for play - I honestly don't even know what this really means. Kids pay to play every sport. The US does fine in those sports. What am I missing?
Income level affects participation in soccer far more than any other sport.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:26 pm to Xenophon
Since 2007, all MLS teams have started academies, and they are supposed to be free for the players. Last I checked, of the 20-ish MLS academies, only DC United wasn't free, and that might have changed by now. The league has really subsidized it in recent years. FC Dallas has the best academy system in the league right now, and I want all the other teams to copy them.
We've made improvements, but there are still nowhere near enough academies for our elite players to get the free coaching they need. USL teams and teams in the other leagues need to develop their own academies, too.
I think making all tryouts free for any player good enough to make any club team (not just ODP or academy) would be a great start, but good luck getting clubs to accept that. Too many kids don't try out because they can't afford the ridiculous fees. That's a lot of kids that never even get the chance to develop.
We've made improvements, but there are still nowhere near enough academies for our elite players to get the free coaching they need. USL teams and teams in the other leagues need to develop their own academies, too.
I think making all tryouts free for any player good enough to make any club team (not just ODP or academy) would be a great start, but good luck getting clubs to accept that. Too many kids don't try out because they can't afford the ridiculous fees. That's a lot of kids that never even get the chance to develop.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:35 pm to Michael Stein
quote:See this is the huge problem with competing leagues. USSF only gives MLS division 1 status, so the get all the money leaving USL and NASL shite out of luck
The league has really subsidized it in recent years.
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FC Dallas has the best academy system in the league right now, and I want all the other teams to copy them.
Their system is huge and its not all free
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We've made improvements, but there are still nowhere near enough academies for our elite players to get the free coaching they need. USL teams and teams in the other leagues need to develop their own academies, too.
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USL teams and teams in the other leagues need to develop their own academies, too.
hard to do with USSF giving all the money to MLS
Yup 20 something academies is no where near enough for a country our size.
England for example easily have thousands.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:35 pm to Xenophon
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Kids pay to play every sport. The US does fine in those sports.
It's easy when you're the only country that plays the sport.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:39 pm to Xenophon
Pay to play has a lot to do with it, from what I've read. In Europe, Academies have a lot more incentive to develop players technical skills rather than just win games. The academies are paid by clubs to compensate them for developing a player, if the club enters into a contract with that player.
Also, strategy is piss poor at the youth level. It's getting better, but you still see our youth coaching focused on winning, rather than developing talent. I.E. put a couple athletic players up top and bomb the ball to them and let them score. There's a lot less emphasis on passing the ball around, working it out of the back, because if mistakes are made back there then they will more likely lead to giving up goals, whereas a mistake by a forward is a lot less risky.
Also, strategy is piss poor at the youth level. It's getting better, but you still see our youth coaching focused on winning, rather than developing talent. I.E. put a couple athletic players up top and bomb the ball to them and let them score. There's a lot less emphasis on passing the ball around, working it out of the back, because if mistakes are made back there then they will more likely lead to giving up goals, whereas a mistake by a forward is a lot less risky.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:41 pm to StraightCashHomey21
FC Dallas Academy for fully rostered players is 100% free I believe. It includes a requirement to move to Frisco and attend whatever Frisco school they happen to be aligned with at the time.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:43 pm to Xenophon
Their academy has a frick ton of teams, the top level are free. The others are not.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:44 pm to pvilleguru
We are far from the only country that plays baseball, basketball and hockey. All of which are just as expensive, or more so, at the youth level.
The difference is, inner city kids (which isn't the answer to American soccer dreams, regardless of how many talking heads say it) don't give a shite about soccer for the most part. Their parents don't care about it and they don't see a way to make lots of money playing soccer, so they don't.
The difference is, inner city kids (which isn't the answer to American soccer dreams, regardless of how many talking heads say it) don't give a shite about soccer for the most part. Their parents don't care about it and they don't see a way to make lots of money playing soccer, so they don't.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:45 pm to SUB
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cademies have a lot more incentive to develop players technical skills rather than just win games.
This is true
Most academies focus on player development until about 16 then care about results on the field.
Thats why so many people in England laugh when City fans brag about their u-12s beating people 8-0, yet 8 years later none of those kids make the first team.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:45 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Ehh. They have Academy teams at each age group. Beyond that they may have dual rostered kids that are still paying, but are also playing most of their minutes for their club level FC Dallas team.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:47 pm to Xenophon
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The difference is, inner city kids (which isn't the answer to American soccer dreams, regardless of how many talking heads say it) don't give a shite about soccer for the most part. Their parents don't care about it and they don't see a way to make lots of money playing soccer, so they don't.
Thats not true at all, go to any inner city esp on the east coast filled with multi culture environment and soccer is played everywhere. Problem is these kids go undiscovered bc their parents cant pay for it. I saw it first hand playing travel and HS ball.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:48 pm to StraightCashHomey21
That I can agree with. The focus on winning vs skill development is an issue.
At the girls level, the Dallas area now has the JDL division, which takes pre-ECNL age teams into a league where scores are not kept or reported, and rosters are fairly fluid to allow lots of players to get a shot.
At the girls level, the Dallas area now has the JDL division, which takes pre-ECNL age teams into a league where scores are not kept or reported, and rosters are fairly fluid to allow lots of players to get a shot.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:49 pm to Xenophon
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Ehh. They have Academy teams at each age group. Beyond that they may have dual rostered kids that are still paying, but are also playing most of their minutes for their club level FC Dallas team.
dude they have a 200+ teams in their system
no way those are all free
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:50 pm to Xenophon
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We are far from the only country that plays baseball, basketball and hockey
Does anyone besides a few carribean countries and Japan care about baseball? We've had a huge head start with basketball (and it helps having a plethora of huge, athletic black guys). There's only a handful of countries that have decent hockey teams, and we're usually only top 3 at best (depends on how good Sweden currently is).
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:50 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Parents paying for it has nothing to do with it in my opinion. Their are tons of options for kids who can't afford it.
My sons FCD teams had 3-4 scholarship kids every year that weren't paying a dime.
They attended open/free tryouts, and coaches offered them spots. The only expense the parents had was uniforms.
My sons FCD teams had 3-4 scholarship kids every year that weren't paying a dime.
They attended open/free tryouts, and coaches offered them spots. The only expense the parents had was uniforms.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:51 pm to Xenophon
The youth system isn't bad per se, it's more that it isn't as developed and efficient as our European counterparts. We would be far better off if we had early interaction with professional coaches in the pay to play system, but many of those coaches are not that great. There are many ways to make it work until we can figure out the most efficient system.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:52 pm to Xenophon
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Their are tons of options for kids who can't afford it.
The local high school?
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:52 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Those aren't Academy teams. Those are club teams that pay club level soccer. Which, through the $45k per year each teams makes, funds all the scholarships they give out, as well as their fully funded Academy.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 1:53 pm to Xenophon
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Parents paying for it has nothing to do with it in my opinion. Their are tons of options for kids who can't afford it.
My sons FCD teams had 3-4 scholarship kids every year that weren't paying a dime.
They attended open/free tryouts, and coaches offered them spots. The only expense the parents had was uniforms.
Parents paying is the problem with the whole country
Thats nice some kids get help but thats not something unique to FC Dallas,
This post was edited on 10/16/17 at 1:54 pm
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