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Are we really talking about a modern European country breaking apart in Civil War?
Posted on 10/10/17 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 10/10/17 at 12:53 pm
This isn't the fractuous Balkans, if it can happen in Spain in the 21st Century it can happen literally anywhere.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 12:55 pm to Jim Rockford
Change comes, eventually.
Sometimes there are irreconcilable differences.
Sometimes there are irreconcilable differences.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 12:57 pm to Pinecone Repair
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Change comes, eventually.
Sometimes there are irreconcilable differences.
Did someone say Civil War?
Posted on 10/10/17 at 12:58 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
I think it's time for another 2nd Civil War thread!
Posted on 10/10/17 at 1:00 pm to Jim Rockford
Turmoil in Europe is the norm.
See - the past 2000 years
See - the past 2000 years
Posted on 10/10/17 at 1:01 pm to Jim Rockford
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This isn't the fractuous Balkans, if it can happen in Spain in the 21st Century it can happen literally anywhere.
Spain has long harbored a number of separatist states - just look at the Basques.
And let us not forget the Nationalists and Communists in the dress rehearsal prior to WWII - not all that long ago.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 1:01 pm to Jim Rockford
The Catalans traditionally enjoyed a great degree of autonomy prior to Franco’s crackdown. They’ve generally regained more and more since the democratic restoration with a couple of notable instances of moves for more autonomy being legally reined in. This didn’t come out of nowhere. Highly doubtful they’ll achieve true independence this go-round. They may win some concessions from Madrid, though.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 1:01 pm to Jim Rockford
I do not think anything is going to happen.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 1:01 pm to Jim Rockford
Someone fill me in on Spanish socio-economics. Are the Catalonians the ones that are sick of the pro EU crap and are doing something about it?
Posted on 10/10/17 at 1:02 pm to Jim Rockford
Because if there is anything this board likes to talk about, it's a potential Civil War.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 1:02 pm to Jim Rockford
And congrats on spurring a couple of inevitable U.S. Civil War threads.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 1:03 pm to Jim Rockford
The EU loves these "independence" movements. I use independence in quotations because any group of people, and I am talking specifically about the Catalans and the Scots, willing to immediately cede their sovereignty to the European Union are not actually interested in self-determination.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 1:06 pm to bamarep
Catalonia is a wealthy region of Spain, a country which has had serious economic issues the past decade or more. That is part of the issue, but the Catalans have a separate identity and a separate language. Not to mention during the reign of Francisco Franco the regional Basque and Catalan identities were brutally suppressed by the Madrid government.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 1:10 pm to Jim Rockford
The U.N. Charter specifically calls for support of democracy and self-determination.
And yet you see every member nation shitting on those principles while turning a blind eye.
Further proof that the U.N. is hot garbage.
And yet you see every member nation shitting on those principles while turning a blind eye.
Further proof that the U.N. is hot garbage.
This post was edited on 10/10/17 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 10/10/17 at 1:19 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
Czech Republic and Slovakia broke up peaceably.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 1:24 pm to Jim Rockford
I don’t pretend to truly understand it as a Catalan or Spaniard would . But as someone who loves Barcelona I would remind them that life is good and that that can change very quickly .
Posted on 10/10/17 at 2:35 pm to bamarep
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Are the Catalonians the ones that are sick of the pro EU crap and are doing something about it?
not a chance
they are just a region that doesn't see its self as being Spanish. Culture, language etc are different and they are very well off.
It would be similar to Bavaria separating from Germany.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 2:38 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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It would be similar to Bavaria separating from Germany.
If they took Baden-Württemberg with them I'd be ok with this actually.
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