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Today is the anniversary of the most important battle in history

Posted on 10/7/17 at 12:26 pm
Posted by anc
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 10/7/17 at 12:26 pm
Of course no one is ever taught about it because feelings.

The Battle of Lepanto (1571) is considered by many to be the battle that saved the West from Muslim rule. At the time, Christendom was deeply divided. Martin Luther had been dead for a generation, but his Reformation still reverberated.

Meanwhile, the empire of the Ottoman Turks was swelling. The Turks had seized Constantinople in 1453, destroying the last remnant of the Roman Empire and beginning a century-long expansion (some historians refer to this period as the Pax Ottomana).

In 1560, a Christian effort to check Ottoman power at sea ended in disaster. Ottomans under Admiral Piyale Pasha routed a fleet of allied Christian vessels, resulting in the loss of 27 galleys and control of Djerba, an island fortress off the coast of Tunisia.

Five years later, though vastly outnumbered, Christian forces prevailed at Malta during a three-month siege. But the Ottomans struck back at Cyprus in 1570, claiming the city of Famagusta after a year-long siege. The garrison was put to the sword; the Christian commander, one Marcantonio Bragadin, was flayed alive, stuffed, and fastened to the front of a galley.

It was around this time that Pope Pius V formed what would be remembered as the Holy League. It consisted of the Papal States, Spain, many small Mediterranean city-states, and Venice (a key ally that joined the League after months of prayer from the Pope.)

The Holy League force—200-plus galleys, nearly 30,000 soldiers, some 40,000 sailors, and 1,815 guns—met the Turks off the western coast of Greece on Oct. 7, 1571. Though outnumbered, the Holy League prevailed in a lopsided contest, sinking 50 Ottoman ships, capturing 137 more, and inflicting some 20,000 casualties. Around 10,000 Christians were also freed.

The Ottoman Empire never quite recovered. Following a successful land grab in Georgia, the empire went through a period of upheaval marked by regicide, revolt, and military defeat. This ushered in fates common to empires—stagnation, decline, and dissolution.

Christendom experienced its own religious strife following its victory at Lepanto, but these quarrels eventually gave way to a period of Enlightenment, an era noted for its many advancements in the areas of reason, scientific progress, literature, and religious tolerance.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 10/7/17 at 12:30 pm to
The Ottomans were also the victims of the greatest Halloween Lawn Ornament display in the history of the world. Vlad the Impaler. Those inflated Casper the Ghost balloons can't hold a candle to Vlad's front yard.
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 10/7/17 at 12:34 pm to
Great naval battle. Nothing approaching the most important military engagement in history. That’s why people will have to google it—not because of some 500 year-old conspiracy. I’m not even sure religious “PC” applies here considering the religious underpinnings of many notable and well-recounted wars and battles fought after this one.
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
85807 posts
Posted on 10/7/17 at 12:36 pm to
I was unaware you were knowledgeable about battles that didn’t involve Vespas , back doors and angry boyfriends, playa.
Posted by Parmen
Member since Apr 2016
18317 posts
Posted on 10/7/17 at 12:37 pm to
Most important battle in human history is some obscure battle I never even heard of? I was a poli sci/history double major btw. I thought this thread was gonna be about Stalingrad.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
70574 posts
Posted on 10/7/17 at 12:37 pm to
I don't know about that. The Ottoman Turks would come back just over 100 years later, advancing all the way to the gates of Vienna where they were ultimately defeated by one of the most heroic cavalry charges in human history.
Posted by ChewyDante
Member since Jan 2007
17132 posts
Posted on 10/7/17 at 12:39 pm to
I'm no expert in that period but in respect to battles between the West and Islam, I'd always regarded Tours and Vienna as the most important Western victories. Was this battle really more significant than those? Legitimate question as I'm pretty ignorant of this battle and it's context.
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 10/7/17 at 12:39 pm to
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I was unaware
You’re pretty good at being that for such an old guy.
Posted by IAmReality
Member since Oct 2012
12229 posts
Posted on 10/7/17 at 12:44 pm to
Muslims have been hell bent on trying to destroy Western Civilization for about 1500 years now... But they're totally ready to assimilate now, we promise
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
48814 posts
Posted on 10/7/17 at 12:44 pm to
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You’re pretty good at being that for such an old guy.

Hold on there, pilgrim. Why don't I get any props for being unaware of stuff???? HUH??

I'm even older than Pimp.
Posted by Gaspergou202
Metairie, LA
Member since Jun 2016
14317 posts
Posted on 10/7/17 at 12:46 pm to
Good history and supporting facts! However, the best aspect about history is the arguments.

Therefore, without the Battle of Tours at Poitiers (732) where Charles Martel defeated Muslim invaders in north central France, the Muslim invasion of Europe would have come centuries earlier and from the West! The Battle of Lepanto (1571) Would not have occurred in the Muslim Mediterranean.

Well maybe Sunni and Shia navies could have fought near their and at about that time.
What if, the second best aspect of history!
Posted by IceTiger
Really hot place
Member since Oct 2007
26584 posts
Posted on 10/7/17 at 12:49 pm to
In this vein, the battles of Tours, and Arianople, and much later the battle of Vienna are probably more vital...

But on that note, if Antony would be won that Sea battle against Octavian (can't remember the name), there may have never been a Muslim religion, as Egypt may have earned equal footing with Romans (maybe, I know)...dragging the ME under their heel instead of Rome doing so.

So as far as cause and effect, I think you go earlier than 1570.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
31245 posts
Posted on 10/7/17 at 12:50 pm to
A lot of great history to study.
The Mistakes of Europe.
I live In The U.S.A.
Never let that be us.
dispose of all interlopers.
focus
The most important battle?
THE NEXT ONE.
This post was edited on 10/7/17 at 1:05 pm
Posted by IceTiger
Really hot place
Member since Oct 2007
26584 posts
Posted on 10/7/17 at 12:50 pm to
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Battle of Tours


Beat me to it...
Posted by wmr
North of Dickson, South of Herman's
Member since Mar 2009
32518 posts
Posted on 10/7/17 at 12:50 pm to
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I thought this thread was gonna be about Stalingrad.


The West began its decline in WWI.

The typical post-war opinion of WWII being about "saving the world" is just silly.
Posted by wmr
North of Dickson, South of Herman's
Member since Mar 2009
32518 posts
Posted on 10/7/17 at 12:52 pm to
quote:

Muslims have been hell bent on trying to destroy Western Civilization for about 1500 years now


It only took two generations of post WWII Marxist indoctrination to convince the West to surrender without resistance.
Posted by N.O. via West-Cal
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2004
7733 posts
Posted on 10/7/17 at 1:26 pm to
Pretty cavalier dismissal of the defeat of fascism and Nazism. And then there's that genocide thing ...
Posted by SpqrTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2004
9662 posts
Posted on 10/7/17 at 1:30 pm to
Hmmm.

Lepanto was certainly a significant victory and it was great for morale, but it’s long-term effects are the source of much debate.

I would caution against labeling it the most important of battles. It’s important, sure. It’s worthy of discussion. But I don’t think it’s in the ballpark of “most important.”
Posted by Parmen
Member since Apr 2016
18317 posts
Posted on 10/7/17 at 4:14 pm to
You can thank the Catholic Church for saving Western civilization
Posted by STLDawg
The Lou
Member since Apr 2015
4506 posts
Posted on 10/7/17 at 4:21 pm to
If Tours had never happened, I imagine that France would not have stayed Muslim. The Iberian peninsula at that time was nearly completely overrun, but the Muslims were beaten back in the Reconquista. I suspect something the French Muslim states would've been weaker than the Iberian ones and beaten back more easily.
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