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Posted on 10/6/17 at 11:05 pm to LSU Groupee
What part of him saying that Orgeron was a 0/10 hire makes you think that he is defending it? Is it the part where he says it was a terrible hire?
Posted on 10/6/17 at 11:11 pm to LSU Groupee
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LSU fricked up hiring O as a replacement for Les.
Nobody is denying this.
That doesn't mean it wasn't time for Les & LSU to part ways.
God. It absolute stymies me how some of you people can't make that simple distinction.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 11:20 pm to Peazey
If you don't hire better that what you fired, then your firing was a mistake. It's business 101. Unless what you do to change your product makes it better and not worse, changing your product was a mistake.
37-7 at Mississippi State and losing to a fricking Sunbelt Troy at HOME, shows our product has been made much, much worse than what we had.
37-7 at Mississippi State and losing to a fricking Sunbelt Troy at HOME, shows our product has been made much, much worse than what we had.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 11:20 pm to PEABODY32
We knew the risks before Les was gone. It was going to be hard to replace a coach of over a decade who had the highest winning percentage of any coach in LSU history. But, the program had plateaued for multiple reasons including Miles' stubbornness and the unfortunate existence of Nick Saban.
I greatly fear that if Alleva survives this season, we are not going to return to being a national powerhouse. Irreparable damage has already been done but might be undone if we act now. Another year under Orgeron and I truly fear that we become Nebraska, Tennessee.
Please, BoS, hear our plea. Call your emergency meeting and get this ball rolling. Do any of you seriously believe at this point that this will get better? The resemblance of this team to Orgeron's Ole Miss teams is remarkable. Fire the man who did this to us all, and let your new AD (Scott Woodward) do as he sees fit with the coaching staff. This won't get better unless you try to make it better. Might already be too late but at least make an effort.
I greatly fear that if Alleva survives this season, we are not going to return to being a national powerhouse. Irreparable damage has already been done but might be undone if we act now. Another year under Orgeron and I truly fear that we become Nebraska, Tennessee.
Please, BoS, hear our plea. Call your emergency meeting and get this ball rolling. Do any of you seriously believe at this point that this will get better? The resemblance of this team to Orgeron's Ole Miss teams is remarkable. Fire the man who did this to us all, and let your new AD (Scott Woodward) do as he sees fit with the coaching staff. This won't get better unless you try to make it better. Might already be too late but at least make an effort.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 11:46 pm to PEABODY32
Y'know, there's nothing wrong with wanting a change for the better, for wanting more.
The thing is, you have to line that coach up before you make the move on Miles. Hell, done the right way, and Miles would likely have handed it off.
Be 2 steps ahead: find the hot young guy, and hire him as an assistant. Let him take over when Miles steps down; when the new guy is ready.
Fla St did that, so it wasn't impossible.
Who knows if Aranda was earmarked for that... but he wasn't ready yet.
Second option- find the guy you want, and make him an offer he can't refuse. Saban said no to Bama, until he said yes.
Either way, you don't push Miles out, until you have the improvement you seek lined up and ready to sign. And then you pull Miles into the office with the next guy, tell Miles that he is the next coach, and let Miles decide whether he becomes an honorary ambassador for the school, retired, or a fired coach. He was nearing retirement anyway, he'd almost certainly have done it with class, had he been treated with class.
You just don't fire the winningest coach in program history in the middle of the season with no plan, and expect to stumble upon the answer. And you certainly don't hand things over to a guy with a toxic resume, no matter how good his sales pitch is (and for God's sake, he's a known recruiter, you should know going in that he is good at telling people what they want to hear); you thank him for his time and move on.
The thing is, you have to line that coach up before you make the move on Miles. Hell, done the right way, and Miles would likely have handed it off.
Be 2 steps ahead: find the hot young guy, and hire him as an assistant. Let him take over when Miles steps down; when the new guy is ready.
Fla St did that, so it wasn't impossible.
Who knows if Aranda was earmarked for that... but he wasn't ready yet.
Second option- find the guy you want, and make him an offer he can't refuse. Saban said no to Bama, until he said yes.
Either way, you don't push Miles out, until you have the improvement you seek lined up and ready to sign. And then you pull Miles into the office with the next guy, tell Miles that he is the next coach, and let Miles decide whether he becomes an honorary ambassador for the school, retired, or a fired coach. He was nearing retirement anyway, he'd almost certainly have done it with class, had he been treated with class.
You just don't fire the winningest coach in program history in the middle of the season with no plan, and expect to stumble upon the answer. And you certainly don't hand things over to a guy with a toxic resume, no matter how good his sales pitch is (and for God's sake, he's a known recruiter, you should know going in that he is good at telling people what they want to hear); you thank him for his time and move on.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 11:50 pm to PEABODY32
uh, HELLO ???
Miles lost to 10-3 Wisconsin, and 8-5 Auburn the year he got fired
He also lost to an Arky coach, who hadnt won a SINGLE game in the SEC. Then lost to his 8-5 team again the next year
He also was only winning a bowl game every other year. And its not like we were playing in stellar bowl games either.
The decline had clearly begun. We just needed a coach that could right the ship, Instead, we hired Ponamsky
Put me down as a 'No'
Miles lost to 10-3 Wisconsin, and 8-5 Auburn the year he got fired
He also lost to an Arky coach, who hadnt won a SINGLE game in the SEC. Then lost to his 8-5 team again the next year
He also was only winning a bowl game every other year. And its not like we were playing in stellar bowl games either.
The decline had clearly begun. We just needed a coach that could right the ship, Instead, we hired Ponamsky
Put me down as a 'No'
Posted on 10/7/17 at 12:02 am to Spankum
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ya think?... I am betting that if Miles were here, we would be near a top 5 team right now...of course, our fans would still be wanting him fired immediately.
The Negatigers know it deep down but won't admit it. We would be at worst 4-1 with a close loss to Moo U right now. Most likely 5-0 with two signature ugly Less like wins over the Dawgies and Troy right now. Of course we would still have issues vs. Bama. However, comparing that to this chiitestorm....
Now the reality is it SHOULD HAVE BEEN his time to go and the O hire has been a SNAFU. However if the only choice is between hiring O and not firing Miles better sticking with Miles than hiring O UNTIL A BETTER OPPORTUNITY AT A MUCH BETTER HIRE MATERIALIZED. Anything over O at this point.
This post was edited on 10/7/17 at 12:07 am
Posted on 10/7/17 at 12:05 am to PEABODY32
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Starting to think we fired him too quickl
We fukked up should have broght in a big name when we had the chance
Posted on 10/7/17 at 12:05 am to RobbBobb
quote:All of which is far above anything Orgeron had ever accomplished in his lone previous head coaching job, and which seems far beyond his reach here as of now.
uh, HELLO ???
Miles lost to 10-3 Wisconsin, and 8-5 Auburn the year he got fired
He also lost to an Arky coach, who hadnt won a SINGLE game in the SEC. Then lost to his 8-5 team again the next year
He also was only winning a bowl game every other year. And its not like we were playing in stellar bowl games either.
It's fine to replace Miles with a better coach. You don't do that until you have the better coach lined up.
Posted on 10/7/17 at 12:22 am to RobbBobb
Based on the shite show that is now LSU football, firing Les was clearly a mistake. You can try to put as much lipstick as you want on the firing, but it was a frick up. Really, you have to be nuts to think that LSU is better off now.
Posted on 10/7/17 at 12:37 am to LSU Groupee
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Based on the shite show that is now LSU football, firing Les was clearly a mistake. You can try to put as much lipstick as you want on the firing, but it was a frick up. Really, you have to be nuts to think that LSU is better off now.
Miles had already lost two games, and we hadnt played Bama yet. Which usually decimated us so much we ended up with another loss. And then the bowl game. We had already lost out on Kiel, Patterson, Franks. It wasn't going to get any better
How many 8-5 seasons were you willing to endure?
This way we get rid of Alleva. With Miles staying, we certainly don't. And Alleva is a FAR bigger problem than either Miles or ZerO
Posted on 10/7/17 at 12:39 am to PEABODY32
Well if you think the ceiling for LSU is consistently 3rd in the west with 3-5 losses a year with no QB developement and an offense that was highly predictable and easily stopped by a top 20 defense.
In retrospect yes Miles is better than O as of right now. Maybe O rights the ship and LSU takes off. Its doubtful, but still possible.
If we would have landed Tom Herman or Jimbo Fisher I doubt we would be in this perdicament as both have a track record of coaching.
When I watch LSU it almost seems like half the players are unmotivated so I immediately blame the coach. The defense was horrible aganst Troy and MSU so I question if Aranda was the mastermind or just the compliment to Miles.
I would have loved to keep Les as the defensive coordinator with Aranda, but that would never have happened.
The reason Miles is gone was the poor offensive performance when a team could contain the run. We chose to do something different when he didnt fire his OC.
O is a band-aid that we didnt peel off at the end of the year because it stopped the bleeding. Now the wound is infected because it was covered too long.
Edit. As others have posted every successful program has a head coach that can run one side of the ball. There are not to many head coaches in the modern game (1995 and up) that are managers.
In retrospect yes Miles is better than O as of right now. Maybe O rights the ship and LSU takes off. Its doubtful, but still possible.
If we would have landed Tom Herman or Jimbo Fisher I doubt we would be in this perdicament as both have a track record of coaching.
When I watch LSU it almost seems like half the players are unmotivated so I immediately blame the coach. The defense was horrible aganst Troy and MSU so I question if Aranda was the mastermind or just the compliment to Miles.
I would have loved to keep Les as the defensive coordinator with Aranda, but that would never have happened.
The reason Miles is gone was the poor offensive performance when a team could contain the run. We chose to do something different when he didnt fire his OC.
O is a band-aid that we didnt peel off at the end of the year because it stopped the bleeding. Now the wound is infected because it was covered too long.
Edit. As others have posted every successful program has a head coach that can run one side of the ball. There are not to many head coaches in the modern game (1995 and up) that are managers.
This post was edited on 10/7/17 at 12:43 am
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