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Did he really "earn it?"
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:13 am
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:13 am
I was on the Orgeron train with the best of them when this whole thing began. I was sick and tired of losing games because of clock mismanagement and bad play-calling, I was sick of a stagnant offense, and I was ready for some kind of a change. So when Coach O stepped in as interim, I said, "hey, what the hell?" and rolled with it. Now, here we are, staring down the barrel of what could QUITE REALISTICALLY be a 1 or 2 SEC win season, and I'm asking everyone, since he said it himself, did Orgeron really earn anything, or was he the best of a bad situation and a familiar face and accent in a trying time? Cause I'll tell you what. Les Miles was a stubborn bastard, but his teams were never soft like this. They were physical and they were gamers. These kids don't seem to be that way. That mentality comes from coaching.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:16 am to tybaker5
He worked his Cajun arse off to convince the right people to hire him, so in that sense, he sure did earn it.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:16 am to tybaker5
No, it was given to him by our incompetent athletic director.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:16 am to tybaker5
He didn't earn shite. He conned his way into a situation where an inept, lazy AD had no better option as an easy hire. Orgeron has been planting the seeds to set this up for years, and we're just finding out the truth of it.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:17 am to tybaker5
well, he did have that binder so....
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:18 am to tybaker5
They couldn’t find anyone better
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:22 am to tybaker5
Seemed liked every candidate ahead of him didn't want the job. So he earned it by attrition.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:23 am to tybaker5
Think about this... Orgeron admitted in a post-hire interview that Alleva had admitted to him right before the aTm game that Alleva had told him they were bringing Herman in to interview. And the very next day during the game, it "leaked" to the media that LSU and Herman had mutual strong interest.
Fat Goebbels and the Rosy Finch Boys leaked that info to the media, and it's becoming obvious. It was another sabotage to force LSU settle on Orgeron because the Ponamsky crew had the inside info that there was only one serious candidate other than O. Their plan was masterful and our AD didn't have the mental capacity to sniff it out.
Fat Goebbels and the Rosy Finch Boys leaked that info to the media, and it's becoming obvious. It was another sabotage to force LSU settle on Orgeron because the Ponamsky crew had the inside info that there was only one serious candidate other than O. Their plan was masterful and our AD didn't have the mental capacity to sniff it out.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:24 am to tybaker5
I will always go back to the teams that he beat as the interim coach and what their record was.
Missouri 4-8
USM 7-6
OM 5-7
ARK 7-6
TAMU 8-5
UL 9-4
Missouri 4-8
USM 7-6
OM 5-7
ARK 7-6
TAMU 8-5
UL 9-4
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:25 am to tybaker5
It doesn't even matter if he earned the spot or not because it's subjective. What matters is that NO ONE else was going to hire him. He had NO credentials that warranted a contract on his terms. He was BEGGING for the job (not that there's anything wrong with that) to get a chance to prove that he could run the program. I'm not mad at O at all for wanting the job and doing everything he could to get it.
I'm mad at whoever bungled the coaching search as a whole and then after deciding to give O a chance, Drew up a contract that gave a completely unproven candidate who had NO leverage over the hire an absurd protection clause that makes it cost prohibitive to fire him.
I don't understand how that is possible outside of corruption because I refuse to believe anybody in that position and with a team of high power attorneys to draw up contract language could be that incompetent. If we refused to add a buy out clause, or set it at perhaps $1 million instead of $12 million, was Orgeron going to refuse the job? Give ne an f'ing break. It's embarrassing.
I'm mad at whoever bungled the coaching search as a whole and then after deciding to give O a chance, Drew up a contract that gave a completely unproven candidate who had NO leverage over the hire an absurd protection clause that makes it cost prohibitive to fire him.
I don't understand how that is possible outside of corruption because I refuse to believe anybody in that position and with a team of high power attorneys to draw up contract language could be that incompetent. If we refused to add a buy out clause, or set it at perhaps $1 million instead of $12 million, was Orgeron going to refuse the job? Give ne an f'ing break. It's embarrassing.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:26 am to tybaker5
of course not. If Orgeron were from Fresno, California instead of Lafourche Parish, would he be the head coach?
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:29 am to tybaker5
quote:haha, you fool.
was on the Orgeron train with the best of them when this whole thing began
quote:
did Orgeron really earn anything
Does it matter? O was just replying to a caller. What else was O supposed to say? No coach would ever say "yeah, you're right, I didn't earn it and shouldn't be here and I quit."
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:31 am to tybaker5
if he had beaten bama last year, or even florida, i could buy the "i've earned it" argument. but he just beat up on a bunch of crappy/mediocre teams.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:31 am to tybaker5
quote:
Did he really "earn it?"
No.
Look...there was a fairly well understood belief last season that Orgeron would have to run the table after taking over for Miles (with the exception of BAMA) to even be REALLY considered for the job.
Why is that, do you think?
Easy. Because he was currently serving as LSU's DL coach, and prior to that he was unemployed. In addition, SC had passed on making him them permanent coach after he slid into their interim job after Kiffen was fired, and prior to that he'd made Ole Miss an even bigger laughing stock than they had been in the ONE time he'd been lucky enough to be given the reigns to his own program. In order to land the LSU job...a job that EVERYONE understood was a Top 10 job in college football, he'd have to do something extraordinary to prove that his name needed to even be on the list, let along be handed the keys.
And what happened? Well...the team looked energized and played well for a bit...then proceeded to lose to all remaining decent teams on the schedule. And each time that happened, the goal posts were moved...
So no. There was nothing extraordinary he did to get his name even on the list of potential candidates. He was GIVEN the job by an AD who got angry that his first real target in Tom Herman wanted to negotiate, and turned to a guy who'd gladly take what was offered rather than go back on the hunt for a true replacement to Miles. And this happened despite the fact that LSU fired Miles after WEEK FOUR of the season, and were still acting as if they had no luck in finding anyone willing to take our job.
I get why Orgeron would say it, but by doing so all it should do is make people ask, "But did you?"
This post was edited on 10/5/17 at 8:36 am
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:41 am to tybaker5
Yes, he worked really hard on that binder.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:42 am to tybaker5
If Miles had gone 6-2 down the stretch in 16 he would have been fired at season end. Why would that performance earn Orgeron the job?
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:48 am to tybaker5
Your "what the hell, give it to Ed O" is part of the problem. Too many in LA and associated with LSU don't have a strong vision or belief that we CAN do better.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:56 am to tybaker5
if you call stabbing Miles in the Kidney "earning it "
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