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Posted on 9/20/17 at 6:30 am to SBC
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Were there better alternatives?
Yes, a lot.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 6:30 am to udtiger
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The people screaming the loudest never liked the hire.
Because they're logical.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 6:31 am to semjase
The problem with our fanbase is that there is a large portion that think they know more than the casual fan, but in reality are clueless as well. Congrats, you are in that group as well.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 6:32 am to Mo Jeaux
Listen to my little buddy y'all. He knows his football.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 6:33 am to SBC
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Were there better alternatives?
This can't be a serious question.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 6:33 am to Dawgfan128
Thanks, kedward. You sure showed me.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 6:48 am to JazzyJeff
I am so surprised that so many fans don't see this for the bad hire that it is.....O's a good dude, but that doesn't mean he should have been hired for this job.
This will be no different than Johnny Jones in basketball. Actually, it's pretty simple - you know a bad hire when you see one.
Ardent O supporters want to say people that think this a bad hire are not true Tigers fans or are disloyal. They miss the point as it is our love and support of this once proud program that supports an objective evaluation that, while we have a good dude as our coach, we got the wrong guy.
This program has been on a slide since 1/9/12. Sure, I blame Les for taking off his last few years. If I blame O for anything, it is that he hasn't been completely forthright about the depth of some of our issues on both sides of the ball. That said, I just don't see what technical skills as a head coach and accompanying intangibles that O brings to the table that would make you declare - this is the best guy for this job.
This will be no different than Johnny Jones in basketball. Actually, it's pretty simple - you know a bad hire when you see one.
Ardent O supporters want to say people that think this a bad hire are not true Tigers fans or are disloyal. They miss the point as it is our love and support of this once proud program that supports an objective evaluation that, while we have a good dude as our coach, we got the wrong guy.
This program has been on a slide since 1/9/12. Sure, I blame Les for taking off his last few years. If I blame O for anything, it is that he hasn't been completely forthright about the depth of some of our issues on both sides of the ball. That said, I just don't see what technical skills as a head coach and accompanying intangibles that O brings to the table that would make you declare - this is the best guy for this job.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 7:20 am to JazzyJeff
many of the most vitriolic posts are from people that never liked O from the get go; ergo, they already gave up on him.
they are just "rubbing it in" with their sanctimonious "I told you so" messages.
just ignore them and move on. this season is young.
they are just "rubbing it in" with their sanctimonious "I told you so" messages.
just ignore them and move on. this season is young.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 7:29 am to JazzyJeff
This really isn't a young team. As someone posted up above, we have plenty of upperclassmen playing and on the team. It's the coach's prerogative to play Freshmen. However for most of the game it wasn't the Freshmen who were the problem and that's what's most troubling. I was a coach O fan. He doesn't talk like me, but believed what he said about progress and where the team was. I believed Aranda and Canada were on top of everything. I thought people were highly unfair to judge coach O as a 'bad coach' before we played one down.
Now, I'm not saying they're right. But I AM saying there is something grossly wrong going on with this team. Zero discipline on the field and half the defense not knowing where to line up IS a problem 3rd game in. These boys weren't prepared at all for this game and if this was the NFL, then you could blame the players. However in college it's the coaches who are responsible for turning young talented men into Professional disciplined men (if they want to play in the NFL). You can't treat them like they're grown adults who are playing pro ball. It doesn't work like that. And it's obvious the 'y'all be ready for the game' attitude by these coaches doesn't work.
I'm not turning on O because he is the coach we're going to be stuck with good or bad. But I do hope he sees the error of his ways and changes it. If it takes the melt of the great state of LA to do that, then great.
Now, I'm not saying they're right. But I AM saying there is something grossly wrong going on with this team. Zero discipline on the field and half the defense not knowing where to line up IS a problem 3rd game in. These boys weren't prepared at all for this game and if this was the NFL, then you could blame the players. However in college it's the coaches who are responsible for turning young talented men into Professional disciplined men (if they want to play in the NFL). You can't treat them like they're grown adults who are playing pro ball. It doesn't work like that. And it's obvious the 'y'all be ready for the game' attitude by these coaches doesn't work.
I'm not turning on O because he is the coach we're going to be stuck with good or bad. But I do hope he sees the error of his ways and changes it. If it takes the melt of the great state of LA to do that, then great.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 7:34 am to JazzyJeff
It was more the method that we lost rather than the loss itself. As I often said with Miles. Having all those wins looks good but a majority of them were frustratingly ugly wins. The loss against Wisky last year was hideous and avoidable, but Miles was stubborn. I think if we put a polished team on the field and lost to better team, many wouldnt be as rantardy right now.
I am more pissed off about his buyout than anything. Alleva really jacked that up.
I am more pissed off about his buyout than anything. Alleva really jacked that up.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 7:37 am to JazzyJeff
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so soon
Meh. The timing is about right. Negas start calling for a coach's head after every loss. It is one of their immutable characteristics.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 7:38 am to TaderSalad
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Having all those wins looks good but a majority of them were frustratingly ugly wins.
Hell - I didn't have to go any further than one post above mine -
Some negas call for the coach's head after an ugly WIN.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 8:40 am to lsuson
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How many passes did Leslie get?
None?
Some of our fan base wanted him fired after the loss to TENN at home after Hurricanes Katrina and Rita in 2005...remember that? That was Game #2 for Miles.
The worst part about those idiots wasn't that they felt that way in the heat of the moment, when passions were high and their lives were torn apart and simply needed an LSU win to help ease the pain of their lives for a bit...it's that they KEPT thinking this for years later. To this day, some of those assholes will STILL tell you they were right about Miles ALL ALONG based on losing to TENN after being up by 21 at home, with a team that had all been devastated by the storms with a QB that LITERALLY had Fats Domino sleeping on the couch in his apartment.
Miles didn't get passes. People were up his arse before Game #1 because he wasn't Nick, and they were out for blood from Game #2.
And...in case it needs to be explained again, Miles did not come to LSU with a dismal head coaching record in our own conference. Miles was not some other team's position coach...and he'd been a coordinator before. Miles, while maybe an underwhelming hire in comparison to who he was replacing at LSU, was CLEARLY qualified to get the job. Under no circumstances was O qualified for this job...
Posted on 9/20/17 at 8:44 am to YoungTigah
Everyone loses and yes it was a bad loss but the team will work through it. Nick Fitzgerald is the best QB in the SEC to me and State has a shot at being a contender in the West this year. We lost to a great ball team. So what.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:10 am to JazzyJeff
I hated the hire. But I thought we would probably be ok for the next year or two. I'm not one that thinks one game validates my thoughts on the Orgeron hire. I was saying the same thing after Herman lost to Maryland.
Every coach lays an egg. Hopefully that's what this was. Probably not, but I'm not going to go flying off the handle after one game, especially after how good everyone thought we were after the first two games.
I don't blame anyone for jumping ship though, I'm certainly not far behind.
Every coach lays an egg. Hopefully that's what this was. Probably not, but I'm not going to go flying off the handle after one game, especially after how good everyone thought we were after the first two games.
I don't blame anyone for jumping ship though, I'm certainly not far behind.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 9:11 am
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:12 am to JazzyJeff
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So surprised so many have given up on O... by JazzyJeff
I haven't given up on him.
But, I found his hiring suspect and I suspect that at some point in the future, we'll look back and say, "yep, MSU really was an indicator of things to come"
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:14 am to LSU GrandDad
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many of the most vitriolic posts are from people that never liked O from the get go; ergo, they already gave up on him.
That's because we simply took in the empirical evidence, which indicated there wasn't much to like about the hire.
The ones that liked the hire were ignoring that evidence, and continue to do so. The ones that were neutral made a choice to suspend their disbelief, but they see the truth now.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 9:17 am
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:16 am to Goldrush25
Lmmfao at your ignorant fkn arse
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:29 am to JazzyJeff
When you see a marginal effort on the field including 10 penalties, then read about 2 very sloppy practices on Tuesday/Wednesday prior to that game, then that's on the coaches and players but it's the coaches allowing it to happen and then negatively impact game day performance. That is what hacked me, no one took MSU seriously and it showed.
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