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LSU is not a rebuild. LSU hired O to avoid a rebuild.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:27 am
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:27 am
any claim that O needs time to rebuild (in whatever manner the argument is posted) is complete and utter hogwash. one of, if not THE primary reasons that O was hired was to maintain continuity and talent (especially that recruiting class that apparently we could never live without, year after year).
any claim that Canada needs more time works against O, also, because basically the rest of his sales pitch was that in addition to continuity (aka, no rebuild), he would hire the best coordinators and they would keep the team rolling. so Canada (and whatever OC replaces him when he leaves) get 0 patience or waiting time because we were promised that we would have a top offense with a revolving door of OCs and there would never be a drop off in production. that is Ed's phil-O-sophy (And the same argument will apply to the D when Aranda leaves. O has no room for any mistakes in hiring coordinators since he is completely reliant on them)
so anyone who is arguing for patience or saying that we have to wait for "O to get his guys in" are arguing against O, because they are showing why he was either too stupid to know there would be a rebuild or that he lied to our AD when our AD decided he wasn't going to do an actual coaching search and went with the laziest choice in modern college football.
any claim that Canada needs more time works against O, also, because basically the rest of his sales pitch was that in addition to continuity (aka, no rebuild), he would hire the best coordinators and they would keep the team rolling. so Canada (and whatever OC replaces him when he leaves) get 0 patience or waiting time because we were promised that we would have a top offense with a revolving door of OCs and there would never be a drop off in production. that is Ed's phil-O-sophy (And the same argument will apply to the D when Aranda leaves. O has no room for any mistakes in hiring coordinators since he is completely reliant on them)
so anyone who is arguing for patience or saying that we have to wait for "O to get his guys in" are arguing against O, because they are showing why he was either too stupid to know there would be a rebuild or that he lied to our AD when our AD decided he wasn't going to do an actual coaching search and went with the laziest choice in modern college football.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:28 am to SlowFlowPro
LSU has been in a rebuild on the OL and DL for 3 years....with little success.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:29 am to SlowFlowPro
LSU hired O for continuity, so basically the powers that be did not want a rebuild, they wanted a refresh.
this program needed new fresh ideas, not just a new coat of paint to cover up problems in the past.
this program needed new fresh ideas, not just a new coat of paint to cover up problems in the past.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:29 am to SlowFlowPro
amazing this "rebuild narrative" has been created in just a few days. nobody was mentioning a rebuild until after state drilled us by 30.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:31 am to SlowFlowPro
Dumb thread is really dumb. No matter how you slice it, LSU has a new head coach and new offense coordinator. Whether CEO was already in the program or served as interim is irrelevant.
Promote a new guy to HC and OC in ANY program and there will be "rebuilding"
Promote a new guy to HC and OC in ANY program and there will be "rebuilding"
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:31 am to doya2
quote:thus is the new rant mantra. We had good play out of the DL last year, and they all came back
LSU has been in a rebuild on the OL and DL for 3 years....with little success.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:31 am to 1999
quote:
amazing this "rebuild narrative" has been created in just a few days.
quite positive after the chaos of LSU hiring O, i made a few threads saying "you better not say O needs time" in different ways
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:31 am to SlowFlowPro
The bar is being constantly lowered so O could meet it. Publicly, perception was he had to go undefeated last year to get the job. Then it was he could lose one game if he beat Bama. Then it was they looked good so who cares how many they lost.
On a macro level, we went from winning 10 games is not enough to publicly people on here saying they expect to win 8 or 9 games with O. If O can't meet expectations of the program, we shouldn't adjust the expectations to rationalize a mistake. You can't hire a CEO who campaigned on not doing anything and hiring good people. It doesn't work.
On a macro level, we went from winning 10 games is not enough to publicly people on here saying they expect to win 8 or 9 games with O. If O can't meet expectations of the program, we shouldn't adjust the expectations to rationalize a mistake. You can't hire a CEO who campaigned on not doing anything and hiring good people. It doesn't work.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:33 am to TigerFan4040
quote:
No matter how you slice it, LSU has a new head coach and new offense coordinator. Whether CEO was already in the program or served as interim is irrelevant.
he
was
hired
to
avoid
a
rebuild
the entire point in hiring him was to avoid the growing pains
are you saying that he lied or that he is too stupid to understand what status LSU was at when he made that pitch?
those are your 2 choices
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:33 am to SlowFlowPro
Our DL issues are based off Herron suspended, rashard and ed hurt and shelvin not cleared....
Missing on the big boy from Houston was big......
But our DL will be balling once rashard Herron and ed can all play....
Missing on the big boy from Houston was big......
But our DL will be balling once rashard Herron and ed can all play....
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 8:34 am
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:33 am to TigerFan4040
quote:yeah, Oklahoma is rebuilding huh
Promote a new guy to HC and OC in ANY program and there will be "rebuilding"
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:34 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
any claim that O needs time to rebuild (in whatever manner the argument is posted) is complete and utter hogwash.
Anytime you lose 14/22 starters (and in key positions), you have to rebuild in some form or fashion.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:34 am to TigerFan4040
quote:
Promote a new guy to HC and OC in ANY program and there will be "rebuilding"
Show me Paul Chryst's rebuild at Wisconsin.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:34 am to SlowFlowPro
maybe we should just fire him and Canada immediately. see where that leaves the program. ya think any coach would want to come to LSU then?
you and others are determined to "prove" O was a bad hire after one frickin' game. what a waste of time.
you and others are determined to "prove" O was a bad hire after one frickin' game. what a waste of time.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:34 am to TigerFan4040
quote:
LSU has a new head coach and new offense coordinator. Whether CEO was already in the program or served as interim is irrelevant.
Wasn't Orgeron hired to keep the talent in hand?
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:34 am to The Egg
Oklahoma has Baker Mayfield..
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:35 am to LSU GrandDad
if only we had a body of work to see how coach o does when he has his system and players in place....
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:35 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:hiring Orgeron was Alleva's way to take short cuts in getting football back to the national stage.
the entire point in hiring him was to avoid the growing pains
apparently the only problem that alleva saw was miles when it was the infrastructure that needed fixing, not just its figurehead.
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