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Hayride: Benefit Of The Doubt 37, Ed Orgeron 7
Posted on 9/18/17 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 9/18/17 at 4:17 pm
A solid post by Scott McKay in the Hayride Sunday. He places the blame right at the feet of Alleva.
I agree completely with Scott here with all of his points which are my similar takes. I particularly like the third reason Scott brings up with the O Vs Wade hire. Great point. This is a good read.
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NO. 1: THIS LOSS HAD THE FEEL OF REALITY, NOT A HICCUP
The result in Starkville, if you hadn’t seen the game, would likely appear as a one-off in a game where nothing went right against an inspired opponent better than people thought. And it might well be that’s what it was. Except LSU let Chattanooga’s backup running back rush for 85 yards the previous week, so the warning signs for what Mississippi State did to them were there.
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NO. 2: ORGERON LOST THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT WITH THAT PERFORMANCE
That’s definitely where it sits with me, and I’m most certainly not alone. When Orgeron was hired, I wasn’t sparing in my criticism of LSU athletic director Joe Alleva – not so much because he hired Orgeron but because the process which produced the hire was hopelessly bush-league. Lots of people are going to be asking this week why Alleva didn’t talk to Dan Mullen, Mississippi State’s head coach, whom everybody knows is going to leave for the first bigger job he can get, before he threw up his hands and hired Orgeron. Right now that looks like it would have been a good move.
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NO. 3: ALLEVA WAS A BIGGER LOSER THAN ORGERON TONIGHT You almost have to feel sorry for LSU’s athletic director, because before tonight the most recent developments with respect to his job performance involved the amazing job Will Wade has been doing as the new men’s basketball coach. Wade has shown all the hallmarks to date of a program-builder; he’s turned over the roster and brought in a host of talented players, he’s built an outstanding coaching staff and he’s generated a ton of excitement about the program’s future.
But at this point, hiring Wade actually might work against him. If Orgeron were to struggle to get bowl-eligible this year, let’s say, while Wade coaches a totally rebuilt team into the NIT or maybe even the NCAA in March, the results of the two search processes will be pretty stark; one coach hired through a national search and winning a competition with several other programs trying to land him succeeds above expectations, while the other hired through a process perceived to be less open and more political turns into a fizzle. You could survive that if the fizzle was in basketball rather than football – when it’s the other way around, everyone will ask why Alleva didn’t do his homework and get a Will Wade for football.
I agree completely with Scott here with all of his points which are my similar takes. I particularly like the third reason Scott brings up with the O Vs Wade hire. Great point. This is a good read.
LINK
Posted on 9/18/17 at 4:19 pm to sheek
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You almost have to feel sorry for LSU’s athletic director,
frick him no you dont
Posted on 9/18/17 at 4:20 pm to BilJ
If Orgeron were from Lacrosse, Wisconsin, would he be the head coach right now at LSU?
Posted on 9/18/17 at 4:21 pm to sheek
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NO. 2: ORGERON LOST THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT WITH THAT PERFORMANCE
this is where i'm at. i gave the guy a shot, but that performance was eerily similar to his time at ole miss.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 4:21 pm to sheek
Im scared. Somebody hold me. LSU isnt going to be the next Texas, is it? Please God tell me that wont happen.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 4:26 pm to I-H8-BAMA
I'm afraid it already may have happened...
Posted on 9/18/17 at 4:26 pm to 1999
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this is where i'm at. i gave the guy a shot, but that performance was eerily similar to his time at ole miss.
I hold the same opinion. The Give the Man a Chance Campaign is over.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 4:27 pm to 1999
Les was bad at times but I cannot remember Les ever that bad. This wasn't Bama,, it was MSU
Not that MSU isn't
good but come on
Not that MSU isn't
good but come on
Posted on 9/18/17 at 4:28 pm to sheek
Scott is on point if last Saturday's performance continues. Let's hope from our standpoint it does not.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 4:35 pm to sheek
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ORGERON LOST THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT WITH THAT PERFORMANCE
Damn, sounds just like what I said in Chicken's thread.
Some people miraculously are still giving him a chance. Don't know what they need to see, him run the program hopelessly into the ground before you admit he was a bad idea?
Posted on 9/18/17 at 4:38 pm to Goldrush25
I hope Chicken Reads The Hayride Blog Post because echos the sentiments of many Tiger Fans. Like Chicken, I am a real tiger.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 4:38 pm to I-H8-BAMA
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scared. Somebody hold me. LSU isnt going to be the next Texas, is it? Please God tell me that wont happen
I have a feeling that I may need to start liking basketball.
I fricking hate basketball.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 4:43 pm to BilJ
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You almost have to feel sorry for LSU’s athletic director,
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frick him no you dont
You got that right, brah. I despise that Yankee prick. No sympathy for that a-hole whatsoever. He's got to go.
If you can fire a Head Coach in mid-season, then you can certainly fire an AD in the same manner.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 4:45 pm to TNTigerman
Yeah I think Scott was trolling Aleva
Posted on 9/18/17 at 5:06 pm to Tigerbait357
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Les was bad at times but I cannot remember Les ever that bad. This wasn't Bama,, it was MSU
42-7 3 years ago @ Auburn.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 5:19 pm to sheek
McKay is all over it.
This was a very bad loss. Not only was it a bad result, but when you factor in the complete lack of discipline, the fact that our mega high priced coordinators were thoroughly outcoached, the fact that the players essentially quit midway through the 2nd half, and the fact that it was against a roster full of players we didn't want..... Wow. These things are not the indicators of a well coached football team.
I was disappointed in the hire, but as a fan of Coach O, I was happy to extend that Benefit of the Doubt to him. It is now gone.
If we don't look significantly better than Florida on 10/7, I will be ready to pull the plug. But, Alleva will need to go at the same time. No way he gets to make another football hire.
This was a very bad loss. Not only was it a bad result, but when you factor in the complete lack of discipline, the fact that our mega high priced coordinators were thoroughly outcoached, the fact that the players essentially quit midway through the 2nd half, and the fact that it was against a roster full of players we didn't want..... Wow. These things are not the indicators of a well coached football team.
I was disappointed in the hire, but as a fan of Coach O, I was happy to extend that Benefit of the Doubt to him. It is now gone.
If we don't look significantly better than Florida on 10/7, I will be ready to pull the plug. But, Alleva will need to go at the same time. No way he gets to make another football hire.
This post was edited on 9/18/17 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 9/18/17 at 5:27 pm to LJBurton
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McKay is all over it.
This was a very bad loss. Not only was it a bad result, but when you factor in the complete lack of discipline, the fact that our mega high priced coordinators were thoroughly outcoached, the fact that the players essentially quit midway through the 2nd half, and the fact that it was against a roster full of players we didn't want..... Wow. These things are not the indicators of a well coached football team.
I was disappointed in the hire, but as a fan of Coach O, I was happy to extend that Benefit of the Doubt to him. It is now gone.
If we don't look significantly better than Florida on 10/7, I will be ready to pull the plug. But, Alleva will need to go at the same time. No way he gets to make another football hire.
I feel like I am reading exactly what I have been saying since the lost. I did come around and "Gave the Man a Chance". Hell I even came full circle and predicted 9-3. I look like a idiot now with people i told that to that to. Man the shite show was painful to watch. It looked worse than a curly hallman team. I am with you about the Florida Game. IF LSU shits the bed. Pull the plug. The 2 Coordinator theory is a joke. It died in Starkville Saturday night. Why endure another year of this shite. I am a season ticket holder and I would be more and glad to pay a assessment to pay the buyout. AT that point I don't want O near the campus. I am sad about this. I hate that I was right about this hire.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 5:45 pm to sheek
This is a very good assessment of the situation. Orgeron doesn't have any goodwill left. If they don't look legitimately better against a mediocre Florida Gator team it's all over for him. He won't be able to turn it around in season and recruiting will continue to suffer. Out of all the idiotic things Alleva has done the buyout situation with Orgeron appears to be the dumbest of them all.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 5:48 pm to sheek
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Will Wade for football.
Row the boat
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