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where the saints went wrong
Posted on 9/13/17 at 12:38 am
Posted on 9/13/17 at 12:38 am
on offense
1.letting go Jimmy Graham after paying him.
2.letting go Darren sproles
3.letting go cooks.
4.Kenny stills.
The team had good chemistry on offense.
on defense
1.malcom Jenkins being let go.
2. letting junior Gallate go.
3.Akeem hicks being let go.
on the gm side of things.
1.Keeping coordinators way to long just because we won a superbowl.
2.overspending on free agents instead of paying our guys to stay.
3. not firing the scouting department,because we suck at drafting defense and free agent scouting.
4. adding running backs and drafting running backs,drafting backups qbs and backup receivers when we had pieces in place but ,let them go instead of paying them.
5. Every draft pick should of been defense untill issue was fix.
6. Every free agent signing should of been o linemen untill issue was fix.
7. Not hiring good proven coordinators and getting rid of steve spagnola way too soon. Especially given the bad circumstance he was given.
8.not getting a new head coach and staff after the bounty gate scenario.Coach Payton made us loose draft picks because of his oversight.
1.letting go Jimmy Graham after paying him.
2.letting go Darren sproles
3.letting go cooks.
4.Kenny stills.
The team had good chemistry on offense.
on defense
1.malcom Jenkins being let go.
2. letting junior Gallate go.
3.Akeem hicks being let go.
on the gm side of things.
1.Keeping coordinators way to long just because we won a superbowl.
2.overspending on free agents instead of paying our guys to stay.
3. not firing the scouting department,because we suck at drafting defense and free agent scouting.
4. adding running backs and drafting running backs,drafting backups qbs and backup receivers when we had pieces in place but ,let them go instead of paying them.
5. Every draft pick should of been defense untill issue was fix.
6. Every free agent signing should of been o linemen untill issue was fix.
7. Not hiring good proven coordinators and getting rid of steve spagnola way too soon. Especially given the bad circumstance he was given.
8.not getting a new head coach and staff after the bounty gate scenario.Coach Payton made us loose draft picks because of his oversight.
This post was edited on 9/13/17 at 12:43 am
Posted on 9/13/17 at 1:24 am to saintsalwaysnumber1
Meh, only Cooks is all I care about on your list
Posted on 9/13/17 at 7:03 am to saintsalwaysnumber1
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1.letting go Jimmy Graham after paying him.
Soft, Diva, Salary Cap Hell
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2.letting go Darren sproles
Agree 10000000%
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3.letting go cooks.
He and MT13 were not going to coexist. That was obvious after the Rams game. He didn't want to be here. Bye.
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4.Kenny stills.
Meh
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1.malcom Jenkins being let go.
They didn't know how to use him properly anyway
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2. letting junior Gallate go.
Are you serious
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3.Akeem hicks being let go.
Free agent and they weren't going to franchise him
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on the gm side of things.
Not commenting on everything you said, but the Saints got screwed on the cap because they tied down OUR players to ridiculous contracts, not the other way around.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 7:50 am to saintsalwaysnumber1
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1.letting go Jimmy Graham after paying him.
They actually did a lot better to get rid of him after paying him because we got something back rather than let him walk in FA
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Plus, he sucks
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2.letting go Darren sproles
Fine, but he was disgruntled and old. Wouldn't have mattered by now.
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3.letting go cooks.
Was not going to co-exist with the alpha that is Michael Thomas. I loved Cooks (especially pre-draft) for his speed and route running but he has disappointing physicality. Guy has to actually be open to make catches, he will rarely fight for a ball with a DB in proximity. Speed can be found elsewhere.
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4.Kenny stills.
lol
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The team had good chemistry on offense.
Still does.
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1.malcom Jenkins being let go.
2. letting junior Gallate go.
3.Akeem hicks being let go.
For 1 & 3, literally everyone thought these dudes were bums, it's really easy to say this in hindsight just because they turned it around elsewhere. For 2, the mistake was NOT Letting him go, the mistake was signing him to that big deal without realizing he was a fricking psychopath.
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drafting backups qbs
You lose every ounce of credibility with this statement, the Saints have drafted less QBs during the Payton era than any other team in the NFL. In the same period the Patriots have drafted seven QBs that never even saw a single snap and are no longer on the team.
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5. Every draft pick should of been defense untill issue was fix.
Saints have leaned HEAVILY defense in the draft over the last five years, especially early, so IDK where you're going with this.
I 100% agree this team has made plenty of mistakes, but so does every team. If you want I can give you a list of stupid moves that the Patriots and Seahawks have made over the last few years that would look awfully similar to this list of "things that went wrong" that you made.
IMO the only super egregious mistake that the Saints made is not realizing they had problems in the scouting department & assistant coaches earlier. If we had addressed that years ago we could have had a jumpstart on actually developing players.... Look at what Nolan has done with the LBs already in a short time.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 7:57 am to saintsalwaysnumber1
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where the saints went wrong
By not drafting good defensive players over the last 12 years. And not being able to coach the shitty ones they drafted.
This post was edited on 9/13/17 at 11:44 am
Posted on 9/13/17 at 12:55 pm to saintsalwaysnumber1
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on the gm side of things.
We've fixed most of the problems that you listed, & some of them aren't even problems
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1.Keeping coordinators way to long just because we won a superbowl.
Obviously, you're talking DC's. We've hired Rob Ryan & Dennis Allen since then. You can make a case that Allen isn't the guy for the job & that would be a legit complaint imo.
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2.overspending on free agents instead of paying our guys to stay.
We overspent on free agents & overspent on our own players. It's been pretty good since Ireland has been here though.
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3. not firing the scouting department,because we suck at drafting defense and free agent scouting.
We cleaned house with the scouting department. Your comment is inaccurate.
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4. adding running backs and drafting running backs,drafting backups qbs and backup receivers when we had pieces in place but ,let them go instead of paying them.
Not really sure what to say to this. QB, RB, & WR are the least of our concerns. The contracts are also good value.
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5. Every draft pick should of been defense untill issue was fix.
We've drafted a ton of defense.
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6. Every free agent signing should of been o linemen untill issue was fix.
We traded for Unger, signed Warford, & used 2 1st round draft picks on the O-Line. We've invested plenty here.
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7. Not hiring good proven coordinators and getting rid of steve spagnola way too soon. Especially given the bad circumstance he was given.
Not really sure what to say about Spagnola. You can make a case against Allen if you want.
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8.not getting a new head coach and staff after the bounty gate scenario.Coach Payton made us loose draft picks because of his oversight.
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Besides having Allen as our DC & the Fleener contract...I really don't see how someone could complain. I refuse to be on the 'fire CSP train' after just 1 game. Some people are all aboard it seems.
This post was edited on 9/13/17 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 9/13/17 at 1:00 pm to saintsalwaysnumber1
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1.Keeping head coach way to long just because we won a superbowl.
FIFY
Posted on 9/13/17 at 2:08 pm to saintsalwaysnumber1
YOU sound like that damn idiot COWHERD
but i do agree on alot of your points ppl are in denial.
Graham sucks in Seattle but he would be balling with us.
but i do agree on alot of your points ppl are in denial.
Graham sucks in Seattle but he would be balling with us.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 5:30 pm to saintsalwaysnumber1
Notice how all of our best players that go somewhere else are labeled "Divas"....Maybe the stupid arse coach is a Diva
Posted on 9/13/17 at 7:52 pm to saintsalwaysnumber1
on offense
1.letting go Jimmy Graham after paying him.
Don't see that at all. (CSP play calling with him got stale)
2.letting go Darren sproles
He refused a pay cut(play calling by CSP got stale with him) doubt I would have dumped him though
3.letting go cooks.
Stats?
4.Kenny stills.
Stats?
The team had good chemistry on offense.
And went 7-9
on defense
1.malcom Jenkins being let go.
He stunk here.
2. letting junior Gallate go.
He's done what?
3.Akeem hicks being let go.
Agree but our D-line coach stunk the place up(CSP again)
1.letting go Jimmy Graham after paying him.
Don't see that at all. (CSP play calling with him got stale)
2.letting go Darren sproles
He refused a pay cut(play calling by CSP got stale with him) doubt I would have dumped him though
3.letting go cooks.
Stats?
4.Kenny stills.
Stats?
The team had good chemistry on offense.
And went 7-9
on defense
1.malcom Jenkins being let go.
He stunk here.
2. letting junior Gallate go.
He's done what?
3.Akeem hicks being let go.
Agree but our D-line coach stunk the place up(CSP again)
Posted on 9/13/17 at 9:04 pm to saintsalwaysnumber1
1 nope, he was a selfish bastard
2 nope, he was long in the tooth here but he did have success after he left
3 nope, Ginn can do what Cooks can
4 nope, another selfish player
defense
1 yep
2 nope, guy was a headcase, good riddance
3 nope, he sucked with us
gm side
1 yep
2 yep
3 yep
4 we havent done bad here
5 we have drafted more defense than offense
6 yep
7 Spagnola isnt good
8 too many things went wrong. Payton and Loomis both are at fault
2 nope, he was long in the tooth here but he did have success after he left
3 nope, Ginn can do what Cooks can
4 nope, another selfish player
defense
1 yep
2 nope, guy was a headcase, good riddance
3 nope, he sucked with us
gm side
1 yep
2 yep
3 yep
4 we havent done bad here
5 we have drafted more defense than offense
6 yep
7 Spagnola isnt good
8 too many things went wrong. Payton and Loomis both are at fault
Posted on 9/14/17 at 11:45 am to saintsalwaysnumber1
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1.letting go Jimmy Graham after paying him
Graham seemed like a completely different player before and after he got that big new contract. Saints were 100% right in getting rid of him...got them salary cap relief and a starting center in return
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2.letting go Darren sproles
This I agree on. He was one of the most underrated players in the league IMO
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