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re: Cleveland police refuse to participate in Browns’ national anthem
Posted on 9/3/17 at 1:57 pm to CorporateTiger
Posted on 9/3/17 at 1:57 pm to CorporateTiger
quote:Interesting to know exactly how much income sayyyy someone like Drew Brees generates for New Orleans.
These athletes generate an insane amount of money,
I doubt it's quantifiable but I have my doubts he actually has an ROI.
Not complaining. They can pay him what they want to.
I'm a Saints fan so I'm not complaining. Just using him as an example.
Was Les worth what he got paid?
Just curious.
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Posted on 9/3/17 at 1:58 pm to Redbone
DAG, this is fun but I really got to go guys. 
Posted on 9/3/17 at 1:59 pm to Barneyrb
quote:
those over paid premadonna's
They're paid that much because so many people watch them. If you think they're overpaid, stop watching. College football is more fun anyway.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:00 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
I imagine the average construction worker has more assets in 5 years than the average guy in the NFL. Athletes are notoriously terrible with money.
I read a while back that 30% of no longer playing athletes are considered broke within five years after they quit.
I believe you have a point.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:01 pm to Barneyrb
quote:
premadonna's
What?
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:03 pm to LSUTANGERINE
quote:
Allowing someone to express their views, even if that speech is viewed by others as "anti-American" is a VERY AMERICAN thing to do.
What if the white Browns players held up racist signs during the national anthem?
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:03 pm to Redbone
quote:
Taking exception to "working for a living" is a bit of an over reach.
There are soooo many jobs out there to compare.
Ever hear of Mike Rowe (sp?)?
Yes, I've heard of Mike Rowe. He's the guy with a highly valuable skill set that can demand hundreds of thousands of dollars as opposed to the millions of people he talks about.
He "works for a living," as does the CEO in my example, as do professional athletes.
The "works for a living" moniker is a crutch to tear down successful white collar positions. The fact that someone is low skilled and does hard manual labor does not mean that their labor is of more value. In fact, the vast majority of the time, it's the opposite.
quote:
An opinion of their pay and what the market will bear aren't really tied together.
Some people think I was overpaid when I was in the military. It's an opinion.
I disagree with your first sentence based on my opinion while totally agreeing with your second.
The fact that something is an opinion doesn't shield it from being poorly thoughtout and laughably incorrect.
This post was edited on 9/3/17 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:11 pm to Redbone
quote:
I doubt it's quantifiable but I have my doubts he actually has an ROI.
The Saints paid Brees about $15 million in 2015 and generated $358 million in revenue. Additionally, the value of the franchise has doubled since 2005 when Brees was signed moving from $850 million to $1.7 billion.
This post was edited on 9/3/17 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:26 pm to CaptainBrannigan
quote:
What a triggered little bitch. Ever wonder why police are scared bitches who shoot unarmed citizens? See above as reason why.
Why don't you go cry and kneel about it
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:30 pm to Barneyrb
quote:primma donna for starters.
those over paid premadonna's are now just looking for attention.
little known fact, they tend to be paid less than what they earn the owner in revenue,
It's called free market economics.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:31 pm to Scoop
quote:
The players can make their statement and so can the cops.
^^THIS
I dont understand why this is a big deal on either end. Let the players exercise their freedom of expression and let the LE officers do the same. This is how our Republic works boys. Im sorry, "baws".
I wouldnt get worked up over either. Im excited to see people stand up for what they believe in and cause a stir, even when I disagree, because it means our Democracy is working.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:34 pm to nola000
quote:
Let the players exercise their freedom of expression and let the LE officers do the same. This is how our Republic works boys.
No, it isn't.
There is no such things as constitutional rights, including Freedom of Speech, between private entities.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:35 pm to Tiguar
quote:
What you permit, you promote. Good on the police association.
So when Trump didnt come out an disparage the "neo-nazis" at Charlottesville that meant Trump is Nazi? See how that works?
Permit =/= promote. Its akin to staying neutral. It really means you respect the rights of people in our great country to express themselves as they see fit even, but especially, if you disagree with it. Again...
and its really the reason why is the greatest country in the world. I dont want everybody believing in lockstep with one another. Thats a recipe for socialism, communism or tyranny.This post was edited on 9/3/17 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:37 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:
No, it isn't.
There is no such things as constitutional rights, including Freedom of Speech, between private entities.
Oh, I completely agree with you in that regard. I was speaking in generalities. Of course, a private company can make any rules it wants and if you dont like it you can GTFO. I upvoted you.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:39 pm to TexasTiger1185
quote:
"premadonna's"
What?
You know. All those people around before Madonna.
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:42 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:
Yes, I've heard of Mike Rowe. He's the guy with a highly valuable skill set that can demand hundreds of thousands of dollars as opposed to the millions of people he talks about.
He "works for a living," as does the CEO in my example, as do professional athletes.
The "works for a living" moniker is a crutch to tear down successful white collar positions. The fact that someone is low skilled and does hard manual labor does not mean that their labor is of more value. In fact, the vast majority of the time, it's the opposite.
While I agree with your underlying premise I disagree that
quote:. It absolutely should be but isnt, unfortunately. In a perfect world, jobs should be pay scaled based on how much people dont want that job. The reality of the economy dictates a different metric of value.
hard manual labor does not mean that their labor is of more value
Basically comes down to how much you value mental acumen or the trait of opportunism for any given situation. Often times the most manipulative, savvy and cunning among us get payed the most not the hardest working. Cest la vie.
This post was edited on 9/3/17 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:43 pm to nola000
quote:
It absolutely should be but isnt, unfortunately.
That makes no sense. Why should digging a ditch be of a higher value in society than creating Apple?
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:45 pm to Barneyrb
I think it's a crying shame that they make (up to) several million dollars a year while the scientist trying to cure cancer or some other disease will only make $1-200K (if that).
While I agee that it is unfortumate that we dont pay people who directly contribute to the greater good more (e.g., medical researchers, law enforcement officers, teachers, etc.). This is capitalism in its purest form...supply and demand.
While I agee that it is unfortumate that we dont pay people who directly contribute to the greater good more (e.g., medical researchers, law enforcement officers, teachers, etc.). This is capitalism in its purest form...supply and demand.
This post was edited on 9/3/17 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:49 pm to TJGator1215
quote:
Good. Cops hate the Constitution
I cant believe how many downvotes you got for this. I know its a shitty generalization but In my personal experience Ive rarely met a LE agent that didnt willfully attempt, sometimes successfully, to circumvent and abuse the rights granted to us via the Constitution. In fairness to them they think they are doing good but this is one of those situations where the ends most definitely do not justify the means especially in todays political climate where we are dangerously close to tipping over into full blown socialism. Ignoring the const. rights of the masses to catch a few criminals will come back to bite us all in the arse.
This post was edited on 9/3/17 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 9/3/17 at 2:50 pm to trom83
Like the abysmal Cleveland Browns players should be walking the point on any issue.
The Brownies need to work on their football game more than their political statement game.
That's like the French Army trying to teach other military units how to deliver the kill shot.
The Brownies need to work on their football game more than their political statement game.
That's like the French Army trying to teach other military units how to deliver the kill shot.
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