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re: Susan Rice: US can 'tolerate' nuclear weapons in North Korea
Posted on 8/10/17 at 12:05 pm to antibarner
Posted on 8/10/17 at 12:05 pm to antibarner
How long until NK gives nukes to Iran?
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Posted on 8/10/17 at 12:06 pm to indianswim
If I were Trump, I'd start having these people knocked off.
This is one of many reasons I should never be elected President.
This is one of many reasons I should never be elected President.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 12:06 pm to bonhoeffer45
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So what should America do?
We've already fricked up. It's too late to do anything constructive.
Appease or destroy, the only two options
Posted on 8/10/17 at 12:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
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there is a major gap between "go to war" and "hide and accept a nuclear NK"
and to answer your question: diplomacy. we have to project strength (not hide from it) and ensure, via China, that NK does not have nuclear weapons. we have to pressure China, both publicly and economically, into solving this solution. the ideal solution is for the US, China, and SK to manufacture regime change that is palatable for SK/China
Trying to get China to solve the problem is the failed strategy of the last presidencies you just criticized.
China has no interest in an American puppet state near their borders. And it is also roundly believed that many overstate the ability and capacity for China to influence North Korea at this point. Nuclear weapons are their survval card in their minds.
This post was edited on 8/10/17 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 8/10/17 at 12:07 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Appease or destroy, the only two options
that's my fear
GW and Obama were too scared to fix the sins of Bill Clinton and now it's legit terrible
Posted on 8/10/17 at 12:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
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GW and Obama were too scared to fix the sins of Bill Clinton and now it's legit terrible
Yep. GW listed them on his Axis of Evil, but not much past that. Just words.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 12:11 pm to bonhoeffer45
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Trying to get China to solve the problem is the failed strategy of the last presidencies you just criticized.
we haven't put real pressure on China. we have been weak, just like how Susan Rice wants us to project
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China has no interest in an American puppet state near their borders.
do you know how to read english? in what way is a regime change palatable to China/SK creating "and American puppet state"?
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And it is also roundly believed that many over state the ability for China to influence North Korea at this point.
then we have to pressure them to allow a plan for regime change or destroying Pyonyang
if China doesn't have control of NK then it falls into a great diplomatic strategy. China is proud and asian countries have a major desire for PR projection. shaming China for allowing this to happen is the cheapest, most effective way to get them on board. they want to be the Asian hegemon and if we tell the world "how can China lead Asia if it can't control NK?" then i bet we can get China to work. the last thing China wants right now is to be an international embarassment
Posted on 8/10/17 at 12:11 pm to indianswim
Lmao at Susan Rice
Posted on 8/10/17 at 12:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
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GW and Obama were too scared to fix the sins of Bill Clinton and now it's legit terrible
Yep. It's now left us with a collective fight or flight situation
Posted on 8/10/17 at 12:12 pm to indianswim
quote:I think the expertise of Mattis and those JCS and Generals trumps anything this political hack lying witch has to say.
President Trump should ratchet down his rhetoric and learn to live with a nuclear North Korea, according to Susan Rice, national security adviser under President Obama. In an op-ed for the New York Times, Rice said it's too dangerous for Trump to risk military engagement with North Korea with his "bluster," which could put millions of people in Seoul at risk.
Frick her and frick her "op ed"
But the MSM will use this like she is Henry Kissinger, when she is a dolt.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 12:12 pm to Hawkeye95
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Bonhoeffer45
So what should we do?
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Hawkeye95
SO jake? what should we do?
Go to war?
Is this the new talking point?
The answer is too pressure China. I'd move even more anti missile defense systems, naval and air forces into the region, especially areas of concern to China like the South and East China Seas. Assert our dominance over their sphere of influence. Then I'd threaten to give nukes to South Korea and Japan.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 12:12 pm to bonhoeffer45
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Trying to get China to solve the problem is the failed strategy of the last presidencies you just criticized.
Nonsense, you call the head asian over there and you tell him "you have 30 days to depose Kim Jung Un and remove all nuclear weapons from NK, on day 31 we begin arming both South Korea and Japan with nuclear strike capability"
Kim Jong would be dead within 48 hours. We just have to play hardball with China.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 12:12 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Yup. It was over when Bill Clinton laid down and gave them "peaceful" nuclear capability.
We've already fricked up. It's too late to do anything constructive.
quote:This is really just destroy. Appease at best leads delayed conflict--giving the opponent time and resources to arm up.
Appease or destroy, the only two options
This post was edited on 8/10/17 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 8/10/17 at 12:12 pm to indianswim
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Yep. GW listed them on his Axis of Evil, but not much past that. Just words.
and let me be clear. there is a LOT more at stake than NK
Iran is next. if we bend over and allow NK to dictate international policy to us, China, SK, and Japan, then Iran will do the same thing. if y'all think NK is scary, a nuclear Iran makes that look like child's play. we'll have a Middle Eastern nuclear arms race that could obliterate the petroleum necessary to run the modern world
Posted on 8/10/17 at 12:15 pm to Taxing Authority
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This is really just destroy. Appease at best leads delayed conflict--giving the opponent time and resources to arm up.
NK is legitamately unpredictable. I fear for Nuclear war if they ever do ramp up
Posted on 8/10/17 at 12:15 pm to KosmoCramer
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How long until NK gives nukes to Iran?
Yep, Or a terrorist organization?
Posted on 8/10/17 at 12:16 pm to bonhoeffer45
quote:They already have that. Just to the south of the DMZ. What China has no interest in is a bunch of NK streaming across their border. Which they will have.
China has no interest in an American puppet state near their borders.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 12:17 pm to Taxing Authority
Two bad we can't send a couple of childish looking asians with syringes to assassinate the pudgy guy.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 12:18 pm to Taxing Authority
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What China has no interest in is a bunch of NK streaming across their border. Which they will have.
exactly
i mean just look at what China did to SK after SK originally accepted THAAD: hit SK with economic sanctions
China isn't going to war with SK or a SK-lite (as a replacement for NK). SK is clearly not going to war with china, either. hell if we get rid of the Kims and NK becomes less volatile, then it's likely the US decreases its presence in China's sphere of influence
this is why free trade is such an important part of international peace
Posted on 8/10/17 at 12:18 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:Always is when something difficult comes up. It always seem to be the republicans burden to fix thing when the going gets tough. See healthcare.
Is this the new talking point?
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