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re: Just keep the damn thing and let it collapse
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:34 am to BamaAtl
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:34 am to BamaAtl
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That particular bit of Republican sabotage has added some instability.
the entire point behind the CSR was to account for the market instability and "fix it" after the fact
that's insanity and there was no legislative oversight or limitation on the spending. you think that's GOOD law writing?
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Without said sabotage, they would be perfectly stable.
thank you for admitting my comment was right
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:35 am to BamaAtl
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purely due to Republican sabotage
Still sticking to those talking points, I see.
This post was edited on 7/18/17 at 10:36 am
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:36 am to SlowFlowPro
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the entire point behind the CSR was to account for the market instability and "fix it" after the fact
And thus removing it would add some instability. Glad we're on the same page.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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is that why my rates are expected to go up ANOTHER 15-33% next year? that's stability?
BamaAlt won't address this. Someone has to pay for his healthcare
This post was edited on 7/18/17 at 10:38 am
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:40 am to BamaGradinTn
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BamaAtl
You're one of the voters Jonathan Gruber was talking about, aren't you?
Funny...you've answered everyone in this thread but me. It's ok.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:40 am to BamaAtl
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And thus removing it would add some instability. Glad we're on the same page.
Your problem is you don't understand what stability means. If it needs constant tax payer money then it isn't stable. Plus if it were stable insurers wouldn't be leaving the market place they would be flocking to it.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:41 am to BamaAtl
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And thus removing it would add some instability.
proving my point that it's the market causing instability
your argument would make sense if those CSR payments were magical and didn't actually cost the public anything, but those payments have to come from somewhere (higher taxes and/or more national debt). what was the cap on CSR spending in the ACA/regs? was there one?
of course we can create "stability" with magical money being paid to insurers that doesn't affect the public, but that is a myth and not reality. however, as i have said, this is the problem with regulatory behavior (i mean generally, not just the ACA). it's based in reaction only, which limits what it can do to account for market behaviors. further, relying on regulatory behavior creates a ton of uncertainty because (1) regulations can be changed later on and (2) regulations can take a while to get through the legislative or executive bodies (we are seeing both today)
this shows why the ACA is built to fail. the entire underlying premise is faulty. when you add in that it's just too big of a task for the federal government to handle, it's clear as day why the ACA, from a conceptual standpoint, was idiotic. combine a faulty concept with bad law writing, partisan protections, and terrible passage, and you have one of the biggest failures in American governmental history
Posted on 7/18/17 at 10:43 am to MrLarson
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If it needs constant tax payer money then it isn't stable.
exactly
especially payments "after the fact" wit no real cap or oversight
insurers are offering artificially low premiums (which sounds insane but whatever) because they know they can be wrong and taxpayers will foot the bill (at a different point of payment. taxes v. premiums).
this is legit smoke and mirrors
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:16 am to Old Hellen Yeller
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Let our healthcare system collapse? Bold strategy for the party that controls all of government
The health care system itself would not collapse. Luckily there are still capitalist ideals installed into the health insurance markets. The only thing that would collapse would be the exchanges themselves. Once the insurance companies got deep into the red, they'd all pull out of the exchange on their own and the bill itself would be dead. Dems would then start losing support from their constituents and be forced to come to the negotiating table to fix it.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:27 am to Old Hellen Yeller
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Let our healthcare system collapse?
Y'all were bragging about that pile of shite legislation a few years ago. There's no way it could actually collapse is there?
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:32 am to ibleedprplngld
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The only thing that would collapse would be the exchanges themselves.
Which means lost coverage for over 10 million Americans. That's not a good headline. I don't think Republicans come out of an exchange collapse unscathed.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:34 am to ctalati32
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No way anyone outside of the Trump base will put this on the Dems when the Repubs have both houses, the presidency and fail to do anything to help alleviate the problem.
Hell, I'm a trump guy but at this point its ALL on the republicans.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:34 am to cahoots
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Which means lost coverage for over 10 million Americans.
Eh.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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proving my point that it's the market causing instability
I'm glad we can agree that it's Republican sabotage of the CSR payments that's causing instability in the market.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:36 am to BamaAtl
Dumbfrick
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:38 am to HailToTheChiz
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Hell, I'm a trump guy but at this point its ALL on the republicans.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:41 am to BamaAtl
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I'm glad we can agree that it's Republican sabotage of the CSR payments that's causing instability in the market.
bad laws written poorly do this often
bad laws written poorly that try to take over 1/6 of our economy will obviously create instability for our entire GDP
the entire premise behind CSR payments shows how terrible the policy behind the ACA is
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:43 am to SlowFlowPro
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bad laws written poorly do this often
Let's work together to fix the 'bad' parts of the law.
Democrats are on board with that - are Republicans?
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:43 am to BamaAtl
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BamaAtl
i'll ask you another question
how could the GOP "fix" the ACA without doubling down on terrible policy provisions of the ACA?
take the CSR payments. those payments are terrible and show how poor the ACA is as a regulatory tool. your point is that the GOP should work to expand the policy behind CSR payments? how does that make any sense
don't you agree that you're doing nothing more than expecting the GOP to adopt DEM policies to "fix" failed DEM policies?
i'm not anywhere close to a Republican but i don't expect them to act like Democrats when Democrats pass a terrible, failing law in order to "Fix" the law and protect it from the failures of the Democrats
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:45 am to BamaAtl
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Let's work together to fix the 'bad' parts of the law.
i already knew this was going to your response (see my post above)
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Democrats are on board with that - are Republicans?
Democrats are on board with making "Democrat" fixes to the law
why would Republicans be expected to make "Democrat" fixes?
and the entire policy behind the law is faulty. why are we expelling anymore resources in a law that is faulty at its core and doomed to failure without constant and increasing government subsidies?
This post was edited on 7/18/17 at 11:45 am
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