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re: Football Outsiders: Colin Kaepernick is definitely being blackballed by the NFL
Posted on 7/17/17 at 10:30 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Posted on 7/17/17 at 10:30 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
The whole point of this is Kap should've been picked up for starter money already but the bottom feeder teams are acquiring sucky QBs to ensure further ineptitude and the Browns Osweiler trade epitomizes that league mentality as well as the Seattle meeting. It's because of the political bullshiit and I comprehend that but Colin deserves to be on a team like the Browns or Bills based on the merits compared to those counterparts.
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Posted on 7/17/17 at 10:36 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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the bottom feeder teams are acquiring sucky QBs to ensure further ineptitude
The Browns won't be upset if they're picking in the top 3 next year. They need lots of help and lots of picks. They made the acquisition they did strictly for the pick.
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Kap should've been picked up for starter money
No one is going to pay starter money to a QB unless they intend to start him. Most teams would have to completely revamp their playbook for Kaepernick and I would assume teams don't want to have to do that for a backup QB. Teams want their backup to be able to step in and run the offense that's already in place.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 10:37 pm to VADawg
Browns wouldn't have to because they play the same offense, another point defeated again? OOOH PTE bruh!
Posted on 7/17/17 at 10:39 pm to ThePTExperience1969
Look I can see the argument that CK makes you potentially better if you are the Browns. But theoretically so does Jay Cutler. Some guys aren't worth the risk if you have a longer than 1-2 year outlook.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 10:41 pm to molsusports
But Jay Cutler isn't playing anymore so that's inapplicable and thus my point triumphs again!
Posted on 7/17/17 at 10:41 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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Browns wouldn't have to because they play the same offense, another point defeated again?
Hue Jackson's best offenses in Cincinnati were based on power football. That's what he wants to do. He keeps his QBs in the pocket for the most part. Kaepernick does his best work outside the pocket.
They also aren't going to give Kaepernick starter money. Again, the ONLY reason they took Osweiler's contract was because Houston attached a 2nd round pick to it.
This post was edited on 7/17/17 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 7/17/17 at 10:42 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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Browns wouldn't have to because they play the same offense, another point defeated again? OOOH PTE bruh!
Yeah but they don't want to pay a backup starter money. And they value a pick higher than they value an average at best QB when they need help at probably 18/21 other positions.
If you are anti tanking make that clear. If you think Kap is a good QB just say it.
Again, you can not like the tanking that the Browns are doing, but if the point is to build for the future a second round pick is more valuable than Kap.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 10:43 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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But Jay Cutler isn't playing anymore so that's inapplicable and thus my point triumphs again!
Because nobody would sign him. If he had interest from teams he would still be playing.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 10:44 pm to ThePTExperience1969
JC isn't playing for the same rough reason as CK. No one is willing to put up with his bullshite for 1 or 2 more wins a year. If you are a team that needs a starter neither one is a suitable answer.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 10:52 pm to VADawg
The core of that offensive staff remains in Cleveland and that team ran a West Coast system which Kap thrived in at San Fran, they're running the West Coast until the description of their offensive scheme changes.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 10:55 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Colin's top 20 all-time in passer rating so PLEASE explain to me how he's "average at best," can't wait to hear this lolz
Posted on 7/17/17 at 10:58 pm to ThePTExperience1969
Answer this one question and I think we'll all have a better understanding of each other. What do you think Cleveland's record would be with Kaepernick next year?
This post was edited on 7/17/17 at 10:59 pm
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:15 pm to VADawg
Better than last year however Kap provides a foundation for future success bc he led a team to a SUPER BOWL and NFC TITLE GAME and they have other pieces to manipulate for consequential draft picks and FA signings it's not like Osweiler was some gold rush just Kap needs to be on a team bc he's too good to be sitting out.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:21 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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Better than last year
Yes
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Kap provides a foundation for future success
He's 29. The browns are at least 3 years away assuming he plays well so I disagree.
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he led a team to a SUPER BOWL and NFC TITLE GAME
He was the quarterback he didn't LEAD them to those games. Harbaugh did.
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Kap needs to be on a team bc he's too good to be sitting out.
Debatable. 16-16 overall as a starter and has been trending the wrong way.
Point is still the browns value draft picks. They got a high pick for taking on Osweiler's contract. They also will probably get a top 5 pick this year because they are going to be bad. Even if Kap is better than Osweiler (I'm not trying to argue that either way) the Browns are not in a position to sign him because of their organizational goals.
This post was edited on 7/17/17 at 11:27 pm
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:23 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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Better than last year however Kap provides a foundation for future success bc he led a team to a SUPER BOWL and NFC TITLE GAME
He's going to turn 30 this season and wants starter money. 30 is too old to start building a franchise around, especially for a QB who needs to use his legs to be successful (more hits usually equals shorter career). If he isn't going to get them to the playoffs, then why would he have been so much better for them than the 2nd round pick they got from Houston?
Their fans like Kizer. I personally think their franchise QB is going to come from next year's draft.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:28 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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Kap provides a foundation for future success
Here's the important difference between you and the HC's, owners, and other posters in this thread.
People just don't think that's true. At best, if his head is on straight and he can prioritize football as his #1 interest he only makes a difference of 1-2 games a year IMO. A franchise QB can make a difference of 6 or more wins a year.
The last two seasons Kaepernick just hasn't looked like a top 20 quarterback, let alone a franchise QB who can lead your team to a division title, conference title, or super bowl championship. He and Alex Smith look more like arguments for the greatness of Harbaugh (although in fairness to Smith he's continued to achieve after being separated from JH).
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:29 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Those 2 seasons Kap submitted a 98 and 92 passer rating and averaged 13 Y/C along with 6 yards per carry and he hasn't shown any deterioration in his running abilities per last year's EVIDENCE so yeah he led those teams and last time I checked QBs are the highest paid positions in football and executive the offense i.e. Lead the team so your credibility was significantly diminished there regarding Kap didn't "lead the team." Oy vey.
This post was edited on 7/17/17 at 11:32 pm
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:30 pm to ThePTExperience1969
anyone who gets beat out by blaine gabbert doesnt deserve to be in the league
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:34 pm to wildtigercat93
Which is absurd considering Gabbert achieved a much lesser passer rating than Kaepernick this season and is less effective rushing the ball
Posted on 7/17/17 at 11:36 pm to molsusports
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Here's the important difference between you and the HC's, owners, and other posters in this thread.
People just don't think that's true. At best, if his head is on straight and he can prioritize football as his #1 interest he only makes a difference of 1-2 games a year IMO. A franchise QB can make a difference of 6 or more wins a year.
The last two seasons Kaepernick just hasn't looked like a top 20 quarterback, let alone a franchise QB who can lead your team to a division title, conference title, or super bowl championship. He and Alex Smith look more like arguments for the greatness of Harbaugh (although in fairness to Smith he's continued to achieve after being separated from JH).
Pretty much this. Kap may still be a serviceable QB. I personally don't think so, but no one knows for sure. The things we do know are the Browns got a pick for Osweiler. Kap is 30 and has not had wins and loss success the last 2 years. It may not be his fault, but QB"s get credit for wins and blame for losses. The browns are going to be bad either way. When you combine all these factors the Browns were not in position to sign Kap.
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