re: If Brees wins another ring, will he be part of GOAT discussion?

Nice rebuttal. You ignored practically everything I said in my comment. You have your mind made up already so it doesn't matter. It's obvious you can't look at facts. Bill doesn't throw the ball for Brady. Defense doesn't make a QB clutch. Brees plays on shitty teams oh well. It takes good players around you to make great teams imagine that. Like I said, you can't go on should've could've would've you go based on results in what you see and there is absolutely no debate who GOAT is in the NFL. You can't take a scenario where Brees is thrown in Brady's place and say he'd be GOAT just like you can't do it with Montana saying he'd put up better numbers in his prime in an easier league. Nobody knows that for sure.

Now, you can make an argument Brees is on the level of someone like Peyton Manning despite having 1 less SB. Manning could be argued as a very overrated QB in the playoffs. I don't remember the specific numbers but I do know that I saw him shite the bed in MANY playoff games. His first SB win his defense bailed him out in the championship game and then played a vastly inferior opponent in a weak NFC that year for the SB. Again, his second SB win he was mediocre all through the playoffs with an amazing defense. Peyton was an absolutely fantastic regular season QB but come playoff time he had some insanely high TD/INT ratio numbers especially when playing against defenses with a pulse. Peyton seemed to look great in the playoffs when no pressure was put on him and when he was playing some really sad defenses. He otherwise folded come clutch time. Always was funny to see Eli Manning the opposite. Mediocre regular season play and then all-pro come playoff time.

Brees actually has some really great playoff numbers to back his play up. The problem is they're very forgetful performances because they end up in loses so he never gets the opportunity to extend them. His San Francisco performance was quite amazing against a really good defense. I do remember him throwing an INT earlier in that game but second half he went ham on them and then our defense shite the bed and handed the win over to them. The Seattle game where Lynch killed us I think Brees threw for over 400 yards in that game and nobody remembers that. He shred that defense.

I didn't say it meant anything. But I guarantee you Brees/Rodgers are more capable of succeeding in New England's offense than Brady is capable of succeeding in GB's/NOs. It's painful to watch him move and any play extended over 2.5 seconds is doomed.

How can you even know this? It doesn't make any sense at all. Rodgers never played anywhere else. With Brees you have an example with San Diego. He didn't come close to putting up the numbers he's putting up here. So if you want to go by the logic that Bill is what makes Brady so great because apparently Bill is so god-like he can throw the ball for Brady too. Yeah, he puts his players in the best position to maximize their potential that's what makes him so great. Did it ever occur to you maybe they need each other just like maybe Brees needs Payton to be in the position he's in? Not like he was throwing 5k yards in San Diego.

Some players just fall into perfect situations for themselves. Brady and Brees definitely come to mind that doesn't make their achievements any less incredible. You'd be nitpicking every great QB in the history of the NFL. When it comes down to it yes, it's the SB argument because Brady has a ring for every finger. He also just so happened to back that last ring up with arguably the greatest SB performance ever. You're just looking for a way to give him as little credit as possible to fit your narrative despite the facts in front of you.

I think it's safe to say Brady has surpassed Montana now.

He never will by the masses but the hardcore NFL fans know how truly great he is

Four 7-9 seasons out of the last five tarnishes Brees' legacy. No one GAF about 5k yards and 35 TDs when you're losing. He's fallen out of the national spotlight

If we are a consistent playoff team, we would be playing more in prime time and Brees would be featured

You can't build up a QB on team accomplishments and not be prepared to have him carry the burden when they are losing, too

Lmao, yes. It's Brees fault we're losing games, no not a historically bad defense on a yearly basis, no no, it's our HoF QB. Do us a favor and stop discussing football, just yell who dat like the rest of the casual fans.

You said you can't put team accomplishments on Drew. You also can't put a pathetic and god awful defense not being able to stop a nose bleed on him either. Go back and listen to anyone talk about the Saints and they'll same thing, w/o Drew we don't win 7 games.