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re: Question for Bourre players

Posted on 6/7/17 at 8:45 pm to
Posted by headhunter
Las Vegas NV
Member since Sep 2012
201 posts
Posted on 6/7/17 at 8:45 pm to
Once a player has two tricks won and the ace of trump in their hand they have a " sure winner" and as such are required to play the ace a followed by their best remaining card

If player has Ace, Spot of trump and Ace off suit he must play in that order

In the strictest interpretation of the rules if the player has King, Queen of trump he must play them in that order or player reneges and the pot remains

Trust me on this I have played "house" hundreds of times back in the day when troopers from Troop L would stand around and watch our illegal back room Bourre game while drinking beer on duty. As Houseman I was required to enforce the renege rule many times on very unhappy card players.

In those games in return for supervising play/ enforcing rules the " houseman" did not ante and split winnings with Tavern owner but covers his own losses.
Posted by Bayoutigre
29.9N 92.1W
Member since Feb 2007
5695 posts
Posted on 6/7/17 at 8:47 pm to
Once you have 2 tricks,you are forced to come out
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
25455 posts
Posted on 6/7/17 at 8:47 pm to
I have two tricks in hand with Trump Ace and 2 high offsuits left. From the way the hand went I knew I could possibly Bourre one player if I held the Ace until the 4th card instead of playing it 3rd and winning the pot.

If it's my lead why should I have to play the Ace? I you have to play to win after the lead is played, but the rules would seem that I could lead with whatever I want because I'm setting the table so to say.

Seems like this is a contested thing among many camps.
Posted by The Torch
DFW The Dub
Member since Aug 2014
20372 posts
Posted on 6/7/17 at 8:47 pm to
quote:

You must play the ace or people will call you out. Period.


this
Posted by Sampson
Member since Mar 2012
24732 posts
Posted on 6/7/17 at 8:50 pm to
its a shite rule if there's incentive to bourre another player. if i have high off suits and i know all they have is low off suits why would I want to burn ace trump? I understand thats the "rule" but its a crap rule
Posted by Sampson
Member since Mar 2012
24732 posts
Posted on 6/7/17 at 8:50 pm to
I feel your pain brother. Trying to lobby for you here but too many bourre traditionalists that can't see how "playing to win" can be achieved without having to lead ace trump. communists.
This post was edited on 6/7/17 at 8:52 pm
Posted by GreasyCracklin
Lafayette
Member since Apr 2005
476 posts
Posted on 6/7/17 at 8:52 pm to
Because you are assuming. Coming with that Ace after 2 tricks increases the odds of getting more trump cards out, in turn making your cards remaining even stronger as you are leading off with the 4th card. Everyone behind you then has to follow suit. What are the odds that everyone else playing had 4 or more trump cards? Answer....not good.
This post was edited on 6/7/17 at 8:54 pm
Posted by headhunter
Las Vegas NV
Member since Sep 2012
201 posts
Posted on 6/7/17 at 8:52 pm to


Because leading the Ace of Trump will require your opponent to waste a trump following suit which is your best chance to Bourne other player(s)
Posted by GreasyCracklin
Lafayette
Member since Apr 2005
476 posts
Posted on 6/7/17 at 8:55 pm to
quote:

headhunter


^ gets it
Posted by supatigah
CEO of the Keith Hernandez Fan Club
Member since Mar 2004
88029 posts
Posted on 6/7/17 at 8:55 pm to
You are absolutely correct

It is called "playing from the top" in vermilion parish and "from the top down" in lafayette

And if you frick it up and try to get cute some old timer will bust your arse with the quickness
Posted by headhunter
Las Vegas NV
Member since Sep 2012
201 posts
Posted on 6/7/17 at 8:55 pm to
Sampson
Remember, the Ace of trump will only win one trick.

I recognize the temptation to hold the Ace til later as a Frick you surprise later in the hand , but the name of the game is Bourre!
Posted by Kajungee
South ,Section 6 Row N
Member since Mar 2004
17033 posts
Posted on 6/7/17 at 9:00 pm to
If you have already won two tricks and still holding the trump ace, you have a cinch, in which case you must lead the highest trump.

Just as if you draw A,K & Q trump, you must lead the high trumps
Posted by Sampson
Member since Mar 2012
24732 posts
Posted on 6/7/17 at 9:07 pm to
do you believe there is a built in money incentive to bourreing other players? If your answer is yes then I will take the time to present you one of many scenarios where not playing that bull trump is smart. You might have to throw out all your coon arse traditions and just think strictly card strategy.
Posted by bakersman
Shreveport
Member since Apr 2011
5769 posts
Posted on 6/7/17 at 9:25 pm to
You play the ace no matter if you flipped it or drew. You'll always have that hardcore player that will call out your renig. Don't be a re****.
Posted by GreasyCracklin
Lafayette
Member since Apr 2005
476 posts
Posted on 6/7/17 at 9:28 pm to
Just say you don't like the rules. Don't come up with scenarios in an attempt to discredit the way the game is supposed to be played. Coonass traditions? Mais weh, neg.
Posted by supatigah
CEO of the Keith Hernandez Fan Club
Member since Mar 2004
88029 posts
Posted on 6/7/17 at 9:30 pm to
Headhunter quoted the rules
Not strategy
The rules of the game
Posted by Geauxtiga
No man's land
Member since Jan 2008
34377 posts
Posted on 6/7/17 at 9:42 pm to
quote:

if i have high off suits and i know all they have is low off suits why would I want to burn ace trump? I understand
Does not mean shite - ESPECIALLY after two rounds. Good chance other players will not have same suit and cut with a trump card.
Posted by Geauxtiga
No man's land
Member since Jan 2008
34377 posts
Posted on 6/7/17 at 9:47 pm to
quote:

Sampson
Would love to sit down and play a few hands with you.
Posted by OneMoreTime
Florida Gulf Coast Fan
Member since Dec 2008
61840 posts
Posted on 6/7/17 at 9:47 pm to
quote:


Hypothetical for you guys.

I flip the Ace on the deal.
I win the first 2 tricks

Am I know required to play the Ace?
Yes.
Posted by OneMoreTime
Florida Gulf Coast Fan
Member since Dec 2008
61840 posts
Posted on 6/7/17 at 9:55 pm to
quote:


do you believe there is a built in money incentive to bourreing other players? If your answer is yes then I will take the time to present you one of many scenarios where not playing that bull trump is smart. You might have to throw out all your coon arse traditions and just think strictly card strategy
going strictly card strategy, most of the time you're better off going ace to get rid of a round of trump and having the lead. You are wrong, Bruh.
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