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17 HMR vs .22 Mag
Posted on 6/7/17 at 8:45 am
Posted on 6/7/17 at 8:45 am
What yalls opinion on overall value of each gun when considering amo availability price effectiveness etc
This post was edited on 6/7/17 at 8:46 am
Posted on 6/7/17 at 9:27 am to HogIslandDuckman
I bought a 17HMR because I could never find 22Mag. My Marlin XT17 17HMR is super accurate, my most accurate rifle I own inside 100 yards and it was a cheap sub $200 rifle. All the ammo you buy is of very high quality and quite accurate. If you want to kill small game it's very effective. Issue will be if you want to kill the game and keep the meat. Shoot a squirrel or rabbit with my 17 and it explodes them like someone set off a firecracker inside the animal. I've never shot game with my 22mag (It is a pistol) so I don't know how it performs on small game but I don't believe it has that explosive effect from what I've read? Not sure. I can buy 17hmr all day every day from just about any store I walk in to that sells ammo. 22mag is still very scarce around here.
17HMR is very effective critter control. 17HMR is not a very effective hunting round IMHO unless you can get head shots because of how much it gamages meat. Round and rifle is accurate enough for that but I need a rest or shooting stick to shoot something that small. In the right conditions it's accurate enough I can headshot game as small as squirrels pretty effectively. Love my 17HMR. Really glad yall talked me into one.
17HMR is very effective critter control. 17HMR is not a very effective hunting round IMHO unless you can get head shots because of how much it gamages meat. Round and rifle is accurate enough for that but I need a rest or shooting stick to shoot something that small. In the right conditions it's accurate enough I can headshot game as small as squirrels pretty effectively. Love my 17HMR. Really glad yall talked me into one.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 9:36 am to HogIslandDuckman
the 17 HMR is popular enough that a lot of people carry ammo--although special loads may be harder to find unless at Cabelas or BPS. Shoots flatter than 22 mag, faster & 150 yds longer, can get 17 with various bullets incl nosler ballistic tips. Buddy of mine had a scoped one in the duck blind last yr to "take out" swimmers when we didnt have a retrieve dog. His MOA was effective enough for a head shot on a swimming duck @ 60-70 yds. The 22 has been around a lot longer but I dont think you can get the options in bullet grain and type. Have one of both.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 9:39 am to HogIslandDuckman
I can't find .22 mag anywhere except online.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 10:18 am to DeoreDX
22 mag with a good scope is a squirrel slayer, doesnt blow up meat like the 17
"head shots, baby, head shots" -G. Gordon Liddy
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explodes them like someone set off a firecracker inside the animal
"head shots, baby, head shots" -G. Gordon Liddy
Posted on 6/7/17 at 10:55 am to HogIslandDuckman
My recommendation is to go with a .22lr and .17hmr. .22 mag is hard to find now and both of the other 2 do everything you need on small game. Combo gun like CZ455 or Sako Quad is a good option. Super easy to change barrels.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 11:29 am to HogIslandDuckman
I prefer .22 mag to .17hmr strictly from a. Performance and killing shite standpoint, but ammo is a mega super bitch to find. If I was going to shoot it any appreciable amount or I wanted to be able to shoot far I'd get a 17. Both are very cool utility calibers, both with limited practical use. .22 mag is a fantastic caliber for shooting coons with a handgun.
This post was edited on 6/7/17 at 11:31 am
Posted on 6/7/17 at 12:26 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
For everyone saying the 17 blows up meat. They make 20grain ammo for it that wont do this
Posted on 6/7/17 at 12:48 pm to oleyeller
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They make 20grain ammo for it that wont do this
I'll have to look into this. Most of my shooting has been with the A17 because of availability.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 1:38 pm to DeoreDX
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have to look into this. Most of my shooting has been with the A17 because of availability.
Yes its called (big game) ammo or something. 20grain, and wont blow a squirrel to pieces, just a nice hole thru and thru
Posted on 6/7/17 at 2:02 pm to oleyeller
I doubt that. Standard velocity .22lr fricks them up pretty good.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 2:23 pm to oleyeller
I'm glad you brought up the 20 grain FMJ ammo. I bought my 17 HMR because I thought it had to be the best squirrel rifle caliber ever invented. Then I took it to the range and literally fell in love with how it shot. But before I could ever hunt with it I saw numerous posts on a squirrel hunters forum that talked about how it would blow up a tree rat. According to them, even a head shot with the 17 grain ballistic tip would take the shoulders off. So the gun never made it to the woods. Fast forward a year and I see the 20 grain FMJ ammo on the internet. Still didn't know if it would blow em up too bad, but I ordered 2 boxes anyway. Now thanks to your experience, I'm anxious for fall to get here.
OP the ONLY advantage the 22 mag has over the 17 is the heavier bullet. And that's only if you have a significant crosswind and you are shooting beyond, say 60 yards. Not that the 40 grain 22 mag is great at bucking the wind, but it really can play hell with the little 17. In the woods squirrel hunting, it probably won't be an issue. But a buddy bought a 17 to shoot coyotes in west texas and had problems with bullet placement when attempting shots at longer range in the wind.
OP the ONLY advantage the 22 mag has over the 17 is the heavier bullet. And that's only if you have a significant crosswind and you are shooting beyond, say 60 yards. Not that the 40 grain 22 mag is great at bucking the wind, but it really can play hell with the little 17. In the woods squirrel hunting, it probably won't be an issue. But a buddy bought a 17 to shoot coyotes in west texas and had problems with bullet placement when attempting shots at longer range in the wind.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 2:33 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Downshift,
I agree with you if we're talking hollow point 22LR. I've never had that experience with the solid round nose 22LR. If you read my post, this 20 grain ammo is FMJ. It is a thin jacket and the bullet is moving a lot faster that the 22LR, but I'm going to hold out hope that it will lessen the damage. This gun just screams to be hunted. It shoots like a laser and has to be a squirrel killing machine. I watched a Youtube video of a guy shooting squirrels with one and he wasn't tearing them up. He never mentions his ammo, but I have to believe it was the FMJ stuff. I saw another video of the 17 gr ballistic tip hitting a rabbit and it definitely wasn't that.
I agree with you if we're talking hollow point 22LR. I've never had that experience with the solid round nose 22LR. If you read my post, this 20 grain ammo is FMJ. It is a thin jacket and the bullet is moving a lot faster that the 22LR, but I'm going to hold out hope that it will lessen the damage. This gun just screams to be hunted. It shoots like a laser and has to be a squirrel killing machine. I watched a Youtube video of a guy shooting squirrels with one and he wasn't tearing them up. He never mentions his ammo, but I have to believe it was the FMJ stuff. I saw another video of the 17 gr ballistic tip hitting a rabbit and it definitely wasn't that.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 2:40 pm to HogIslandDuckman
I want a cz 512 in 22 mag bad.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 2:44 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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doubt that. Standard velocity .22lr fricks them up pretty good.
All i can tell you is try it. Because the 20 grain hmr ammo will shoot a hole through and through... wont explode like the ballist tips
Posted on 6/7/17 at 3:21 pm to HogIslandDuckman
The baddest truck gun for varmints that I've ever seen
Magnum research in 22 WRM
Magnum research in 22 WRM
Posted on 6/7/17 at 3:41 pm to HogIslandDuckman
I have several .22 mag rifles,and 1 .17HMR. I have a CZ model 512 semi auto,and a CZ model 452-2e bolt action .17 HMR. The .17 is THE most perfect for accuracy rifle that I have ever shot,but the model 512 is really close to it.
Ammo is cheaper and more available for the .17 right now,but .22mag ammo is becoming more available all the time. I don't really have trouble getting it anymore.
One thing about the .17 though,it might be effected by wind a bit more than the .22 mag.,but maybe not. It's got such a slim profile,that might make up for the lighter weight. I am going to try to do a comparison soon.
Walmart has a pretty good deal on The Savage A17 semi-auto IMO. I have a Savage .22 mag bolt that is good shooting rifle, seems like it's $363 for the A17. CCI makes a special ammo for these rifles that is slightly more powerful,and 100FPS faster,wanting to get some to try in my CZ.
Ammo is cheaper and more available for the .17 right now,but .22mag ammo is becoming more available all the time. I don't really have trouble getting it anymore.
One thing about the .17 though,it might be effected by wind a bit more than the .22 mag.,but maybe not. It's got such a slim profile,that might make up for the lighter weight. I am going to try to do a comparison soon.
Walmart has a pretty good deal on The Savage A17 semi-auto IMO. I have a Savage .22 mag bolt that is good shooting rifle, seems like it's $363 for the A17. CCI makes a special ammo for these rifles that is slightly more powerful,and 100FPS faster,wanting to get some to try in my CZ.
This post was edited on 6/7/17 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 6/7/17 at 3:48 pm to cbiscuit
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I want a cz 512 in 22 mag bad.
Get it,you will love it. I also have a Remington 597 semi-auto that is a great rifle,but nothing like the CZ.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 4:09 pm to Tigerhead
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I bought my 17 HMR because I thought it had to be the best squirrel rifle caliber ever invented.
That would be the 17 Mach 2.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 4:29 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
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That would be the 17 Mach 2.
Lol i have had my mach2 forever. Fun little gun. But ammo is almost non existant. I have around 300rds put up. But short of ordering off gunbroker, i hadnt seen it in years. Thought they quit making it tbh
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