re: Is this guy going to jail? UPDATE - Murder charge for cop and husband

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Maybe so. So best case some internal discipline or even fired. But there's all sorts of theatrics a friendly DA can do to make sure there's no prosecution

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Violation of protocol that leads to a death is pretty serious.




ETA: my bad, it was my understanding this guy was a cop as well but I guess he's not.

I think this guy does some time. I wonder if his wife gets in trouble for not doing anything about it.

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the "victim" was drunk/loud and walked outside loudly proclaiming he was going to piss. The LEO's husband followed him, confronted him, and the fight started as a result.

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following a man outside for a confrontation sounds aggressive.

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He's not a cop. He's a cop's husband.

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I caught that. So what sort of message will that send to the police in his jurisdiction? Especially the female ones? If you're in trouble and your spouse/SO is there and can help, they shouldn't? All I am saying is I have a feeling the DA will be sympathetic to their cause. Because of that there's different tricks he can use to make it appear like he's doing something, but in reality he wants to torpedo the case at Grand jury. Opening up the grand jury to the officers family and bringing in her fellow officers is a good first step.

My original point in all of this is not to justify the behavior, it's to show that historically these sorts of incidents are rarely prosecuted. This is for a number of reasons, but mostly because it's not a good move to prosecute the people (or the husbands that "save" them) that he relies on for convictions.

Didnt really look like she was in trouble, looked like he was the main person restraining him. And I believe he was the one who started the confrontation .

If she started making the arrest, and she was being overpowered/in danger, it would be a totally different ballgame.

I also agree with you, this will unfortunately be a very difficult prosecution.

However I believe not prosecuting this sends the message that being the spouse of a LEO de facto grants you LEO powers.

I saw this earlier.

Even if they did fight, that is no reason to apply a choke hold like that for that long. Get a knee in his back, cuff him, take his id and let him go for an on duty cop to pick up a block down the road.

To me, it seems, the husband followed him outside and escalated the situation, when a quick call to actual police would have been the thing to do. I'm sure his old lady had personal cell phone numbers of her co-workers.
I think the guy wanted to flex his muscle and show he can do all the cool cop restraint moves too which ended up killing the guy. That's murder, Chief.

I've never seen it mentioned but it just seems like this guy is former LEO.

Piss stupid places, win stupid prizes

amirite?




but seriously, this dude is probably looking at some form of involuntary manslaughter

Any internal policies are irrelevant. This guy isn't law enforcement. He's some civilian. So I would think that they would need to demonstrate that it was self defense. Which would seem to be difficult. Maybe it started out as self defense. But that conclusion doesn't make much sense if he was just defending himself.

I am thinking about a bar fight type situation. If you get into a bar fight that ends with you choking someone to death then I would think that you're going to prison without much question almost regardless of circumstances.

3 and a half billion years of evolution and for this knuckle dragger life was worth dying for just so he could feel the breeze on his junk while he took a piss.

He and his pig wife deserve jail time but won't see any.