re: DAT 5/17: Astros (McCullers) @ Marlins (Urena), 11:10 CDT

Unfortunately, I don't think a deal can get done for Cole, Archer, or Quintana w/o Tucker.

He has played 87 major league games. He will be fine. I have no issues with your stance on Tucker, but Bregman is deserving of patience.

I've conceded that were going to have to give up Tucker if we aim for Quintana, Arher or Cole. These are above average pitchers, affordably controlled for the next several years. That doesn't come cheap in a trade. For me it's

1a. Archer
1b. Cole

2. Quintana


We may have to bite the bullet and recognize how good we are this year and say goodbye to Tucker.

Best case scenario for Tucker...Luhnow promotes him to Corpus after the all star break. He plays well and finishes out the season there. He starts 2018 at Corpus, plays well. Earns a promotion to AAA and if he plays well there it's a brief stint in AAA ( a la Correa and Bregman) before he's promoted to the majors mid season next year. This is his ETA if he doesn't struggle and need extra time at a minor league level. If he struggles, his arrival could be pushed into the middle parts of 2019.

If it's 2019, you could have nearly 2 seasons of Q, Archer or Cole by that point. You certainly think hard about giving up a guy with the kind of potential Tucker has. But with as good as we're poised to be at least this year and likely next year, I don't think you let a deal for one of those guys get hung up over Tucker.

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The average 3rd baseman in MLB hits 4 HRs w 48 RBIs hitting .250?

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There are currently 17 3rd basemen that have a WAR lower than bregman.

Yuli and Bregman have equal WAR. Marwin loses a significant amount of his value if he has to play everyday at one single position.

And the whole point is this is Bregmans basement. No spring training and still <1 season in the MLB

After Bregman had his great finish last year, I held my breath every time he was mentioned at the Winter Meetings.

I was hoping he would validate early, but not so much the first 40 games.

I am obviously a Bregman fan from LSU days, but I'm an Astros fan from 6 yo.

I will gladly laugh at my stupid arse for even wondering out loud if Bregman would have served the Astros better in an offseason trade when he's a perennial AS.

The Tucker worthy trade is Cole+Tony Watson IMO. It addresses 3 needs-TOR starter, left handed reliever+closer experience if Giles goes to shite. Id give up essentially any significant assets for that.

There are 17 starting 3rd baseman w a WAR less than Bregman?

Wow

I would say that says more about that stat being less significant than we thought.

Is there really 17 starting 3rd basemen w less than 1 HR and 12 RBIs w a .257 avg?

I know Bregs has his fair share of errors to go w his good defense too.

Hard to digest that unless I'm just misquoting you.

Schimpf is playing 3rd?

I thought I saw him in the OF, and w the emphasis on HRs these days, I would still think his WAR would be higher than Bregman's.

But, yes, I figured there must be some qualifications to that number. That number must represent anyone that started a game at 3rd base, not regular starting 3rd basemen.