re: Landrieu vs. Lee. Who is a better man?

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vilma4prez

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Well said. But Lee would also tell us to never cave or discard our convictions. We can have a discussion without hatred, you know?

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They both own slaves on a plantation. Lee paid for his slaves with money while Landrieu paid for his slaves by pandering

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. The way he saw it he had no choice.

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He saw it wrong. He was offered command of the Union Army at Blair House and instead chose to resign from that army and lead the other side.

Even though he was against secession.

He was a man of honorable intentions, but he messed this up.

Agree to disagree, but very reasonable, thoughtful post. Which is why it seems out of place here.

The lack of knowledge in this thread of Robert E. Lee by the Mitch apologists is astounding. Ignorance or just a kool-aid drinker?
You want to compare Lee to Mitch, did Lee keep a black woman as a concubine and father an illegitimate child with her? Now, Mitch on the other hand ...

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Just silence opposing views.

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Oh, the irony. I'll let you try to figure that one out.

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Who is a better man

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My stomach is in knots that you would dare compare the two.

You tell me.

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The forbearing use of power does not only form a touchstone, but the manner in which an individual enjoys certain advantages over others is a test of a true gentleman.

The power which the strong have over the weak, the employer over the employed, the educated over the unlettered, the experienced over the confiding, even the clever over the silly--the forbearing or inoffensive use of all this power or authority, or a total abstinence from it when the case admits it, will show the gentleman in a plain light

The gentleman does not needlessly and unnecessarily remind an offender of a wrong he may have committed against him. He cannot only forgive, he can forget; and he strives for that nobleness of self and mildness of character which impart sufficient strength to let the past be but the past. A true man of honor feels humbled himself when he cannot help humbling others.

-Robert E. Lee

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I love Mardi Gras. I'm a street rat.

-Mitch Landrieu

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I don't think it would be possible to insult Lee any more than to compare him to the fricking pissant mayor.

Lee was/is viewed as an all time great general and human being by both sides of the conflict. He was descended from other great patriots.

Mitch is a retarded piece of shite descended from corrupt, vile politicians. All he has done for the city is raise taxes, stoke the racial fire, and preside of a dramatic increase in murder and violent crime.

While I am certainly unhappy with the removal of the other monuments, it makes me physically ill to think about Lee coming down. It has nothing to do with insulting the confederacy or my ancestors who fought it in. It has to do with a disgusting, despicable human being like Mitch being able to take down one of the greatest gentlemen of all time.

No one here has ever had to make decisions even remotely close to what Lee faced at the outbreak of the war.

The ignorance of those who argue so vehemently what they were taught at the victors trough!

REVENUE - Lncoln, I must have my revenue - over 70% by some expert estimates of total Fderal revenue was tariffs collected at ports in the South. A Massachusetts newspaper at the time said the Southerners could leave but they must leave thier property. Frederick Douglas the most prominent Black of the time said "He [Lincoln] was ready and willing at any time . . . to deny, postpone, and sacrifice the rights of humanity in the colored people to promote the welfare of the white people of his country.”

Only 5% of people in the south ownded slaved but over 1 million southern boys fought - you say to keep an institute that was of no benefit to them? The governors of Ohio and Illinois were asked about taking in freed slaves and refused absolutely.

For the "informed progressive", the Corwin Amendment was offered by an Ohio congressman to legalize slavery in both north and sout, tariffs and ever increasing federal government power were the issues, Lincoln's own writings showed no concern for blacks including discussions of repatriation to Africa. New York and Mass openly talked of secession in the early 1800s, we are told you can't secede but the southern states had to be readmitted following the war - why? The emancipation proclamation only applied to southern states "in rebellion", Northern and non-rebellious states kept slaves some until the 13th amendment was ratified later in 1865 - why? Sherman stated his goal was to wipe out the South including women and children "total war". The war was about control - a fight that continues today.