- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Score Board
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- SEC Score Board
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Which War Would Result In The Most Severe PTSD For Soldiers?
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:24 pm to Sao
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:24 pm to Sao
Just read through the thread. Yes, WWI is by far the worst war in military history. The generals often get bad reps for how the battles were fought, but they were old school generals fighting a mechanized war. The communication or lack-thereof cause offenses to stall once the objective was reached only to be counter attacked. They didn't know how to fight on a new battlefield. So the men essentially became science experiments. The only country that figured out how the new style of warfare would be fought were the Germans. Artillery barrages that lasted for days, the tunneling that the sides would dig in order to set off a mine underneath the other side's trenches. Gas attacks, no man's land and the advent of the machine gun. And like others have said, modern combat with not modern medicine.
Now, the Pacific Theater and Eastern Front were horrible in their own right. Eastern Front was worse for civilians, obviously. No telling how many rapes happened then. And think about Leningrad, the siege lasted from 1941-1944, people turned to canibalism. But the battles in the Pacific were probably much tougher.
Chosin Reservoir in Korea was beyond imaginable as well.
Eta: If you have a chance, read the book "The Last Stand of Fox Company" it's on a company of Marines that held the route open for our troops to get out of the Chosin Reservoir. One company took on multiple regiments of Chinese forces. Toughest sons of bitches ever in my opinion.
Now, the Pacific Theater and Eastern Front were horrible in their own right. Eastern Front was worse for civilians, obviously. No telling how many rapes happened then. And think about Leningrad, the siege lasted from 1941-1944, people turned to canibalism. But the battles in the Pacific were probably much tougher.
Chosin Reservoir in Korea was beyond imaginable as well.
Eta: If you have a chance, read the book "The Last Stand of Fox Company" it's on a company of Marines that held the route open for our troops to get out of the Chosin Reservoir. One company took on multiple regiments of Chinese forces. Toughest sons of bitches ever in my opinion.
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:26 pm to Sao
In about a decade of fighting in Vietnam, the US lost around 50,000 men.
In the first day of the Battle of the Somme, the British lost 60,000. The Germans lost about the same amount.
The battle then continued for another three months, for the grand gain of less than five miles.
World War One was such a horrific experience that it still haunts us, even now. It is almost like modern society's suppressed bad memory of its collective youth. People don't think about it much, but its impact colors everything.
In the first day of the Battle of the Somme, the British lost 60,000. The Germans lost about the same amount.
The battle then continued for another three months, for the grand gain of less than five miles.
World War One was such a horrific experience that it still haunts us, even now. It is almost like modern society's suppressed bad memory of its collective youth. People don't think about it much, but its impact colors everything.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:30 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
quote:
Also "at times" was all the time during the battles you mentioned.
That's incorrect. I don't know why you would write that. You think that the trenches during those events started and ended the battles in the same condition.
BUT, World War One certainly did produce plenty of PTSD casualties amongst the Germans, British and French who fought in the trenches for more years than did the US. AND those conditions that you describe were there for long enough to produce many PTSD casualties. What's worse is that nobody had any idea on how to treat it back then.
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 8:43 pm
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:35 pm to Sao
I really think Vietnam had to have been bad on soldiers because they weren't fighting for the freedom of their own country and families. They knew they could die at any time in a war a lot of them didn't want to be in.
The World War soldiers were fighting for their countries and the fate of the entire world. The soldiers believed in the cause for the most part.
I would think the PTSD per soldier would be higher for Vietnam than the World Wars. That doesn't mean one was more terrifying than the others but a soldiers mindset would be part of the cause.
The World War soldiers were fighting for their countries and the fate of the entire world. The soldiers believed in the cause for the most part.
I would think the PTSD per soldier would be higher for Vietnam than the World Wars. That doesn't mean one was more terrifying than the others but a soldiers mindset would be part of the cause.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:39 pm to vol27
quote:
Soldiers are millennials that are soft as shite.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:39 pm to Champagne
quote:
PTSD is caused by combat action
The ignorance on this board is only surpassed by the ignorance on the rant most days.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:39 pm to Soup Sammich
I think anyone that faced death, saw friends die and killed others could not help but be changed.
bless all those that served their country
except the Russians those commie bastards
bless all those that served their country
except the Russians those commie bastards
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:41 pm to OWLFAN86
quote:
bless all those that served their country
Except frick Santa Ana.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:42 pm to bamafan1001
quote:
gotta be WW1 followed by Civil War followed by WW2
Are you just talking about Americans? Bc I don't see what makes the Civil War unique in from any other war of that period.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:50 pm to Fratigerguy
quote:
The ignorance on this board is only surpassed by the ignorance on the rant most days.
Why is it, in your opinion, an ignorant statement?
Posted on 5/3/17 at 8:56 pm to Soup Sammich
quote:
The World War soldiers were fighting for their countries and the fate of the entire world. The soldiers believed in the cause for the most part.
Except in WW1 nobody really knew what the cause was.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:02 pm to Champagne
That the root cause of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder is combat? Likely because it isn't. There is combat induced ptsd. But to suggest that the traumatic, stressful situations that soldiers can be put in that are not related to combat aren't, or can't be the cause of ptsd is ignorance. Police, firemen, nurses, doctors, etc, etc, can all suffer from ptsd, and none of it is combat related.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:04 pm to Fratigerguy
In this case, wise guy, PTSD is caused by combat. See, this is a thread about war and combat, so it wouldn't make much sense for us to talk about a bunch of firemen having PTSD.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:04 pm to biglego
quote:
quote:
More so than WW2 in the pacific?
WW2 Eastern front was maybe worse than the pacific. The fighting in Russia was massive.
Not sure why you're getting downvoted. The Eastern front had the two bloodiest battles in human history.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:06 pm to Sao
Derail:
Worst to get wounded: Civil War. Those big bullets meant a near certain amputation if you lived. Second, I'm going with WWII Pacific Theater. You're shot up in a soupy humid cesspool or you're baking on a desert island.
Ferocity of the fight: (fighting men only) First is easily Pacific Theater. Second is probably going to also be WWII, Eastern Front, Stalingrad.
Truest "Meat Grinder": to me it's got to be WWI here. 110 total casualties combined for both sides in a DAY. That's just so hard to fathom.
Worst overall living conditions: WWI in the trenches. Second is the Civil War. I'm not sure there's much difference between the two.
Worst to get wounded: Civil War. Those big bullets meant a near certain amputation if you lived. Second, I'm going with WWII Pacific Theater. You're shot up in a soupy humid cesspool or you're baking on a desert island.
Ferocity of the fight: (fighting men only) First is easily Pacific Theater. Second is probably going to also be WWII, Eastern Front, Stalingrad.
Truest "Meat Grinder": to me it's got to be WWI here. 110 total casualties combined for both sides in a DAY. That's just so hard to fathom.
Worst overall living conditions: WWI in the trenches. Second is the Civil War. I'm not sure there's much difference between the two.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:09 pm to 1BamaRTR
I gotta respectfully disagree. The hatred and racist views by Japan and the US in the Pacific coupled with a shite ton of men on relatively small patches of land was just a recipe for the meanest, most brutalizing battles of WWII.
The Germans didn't muster the hatred of the Russians like either the Japanese or Americans.
The Germans didn't muster the hatred of the Russians like either the Japanese or Americans.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:09 pm to 1BamaRTR
Most of my posts get an automatic down vote. I don't know why.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:14 pm to Jobu93
quote:
The Germans didn't muster the hatred of the Russians like either the Japanese or Americans.
You're kidding here, right?
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:16 pm to Fratigerguy
quote:
That the root cause of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder is combat? Likely because it isn't. There is combat induced ptsd. But to suggest that the traumatic, stressful situations that soldiers can be put in that are not related to combat aren't, or can't be the cause of ptsd is ignorance. Police, firemen, nurses, doctors, etc, etc, can all suffer from ptsd, and none of it is combat related.
no one has denied that other people can have ptsd ... is this where the laughing emoticon goes? ... " " ... does that make one feel superior? ...
it would have to be wwi because of the constant shelling from trench warfare and the enormous loss of life over 4 years ...
george carlin touches on this a bit LINK
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News