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Posted on 9/12/21 at 5:21 pm to
Posted by 21JumpStreet
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Posted on 9/12/21 at 5:21 pm to
Is crypto a zero sum game?
Posted by castorinho
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Posted on 9/12/21 at 6:30 pm to
And what would be the crypto market cap of all coins at which it's a
"zero sum game"?
Posted by 21JumpStreet
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Posted on 9/12/21 at 6:38 pm to
Bitcoin or bust huh?
Posted by castorinho
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Posted on 9/12/21 at 6:57 pm to
I'm not sure I follow.
You're saying crypto, overall, isn't moving. As in if some coins pop, some fall equally.

Or am I misunderstanding your statement?
Posted by Ross
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Posted on 9/12/21 at 7:16 pm to
quote:

Is crypto a zero sum game?


not even remotely

several of these projects serve drastically different purposes and have drastically different tokenomics. Even projects that serve the same purpose like the big DeFi plays could reasonably coexist.
This post was edited on 9/13/21 at 9:33 am
Posted by 21JumpStreet
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Posted on 9/12/21 at 7:37 pm to
It seems like once they determine the superior blockchain all dapps will be running on that. I guess it would be bitcoin, the superior blockchain, and then dapps that matter?

Or just bitcoin, bitcoin scaling solution, and the dapps...?
This post was edited on 9/12/21 at 7:41 pm
Posted by Hulkklogan
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Posted on 9/12/21 at 7:44 pm to
Definitely not zero-sum. Different chains serve different purposes and/or suit some industries better than others. There will be room for many winners.

Long-term, I don't think Bitcoin will be the #1 cryptocurrency.
This post was edited on 9/12/21 at 7:45 pm
Posted by 21JumpStreet
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 9/12/21 at 7:56 pm to
What different chains serve differently?

The big boys are trying to scale, have smart contracts have nfts...

Dapps are different i guess. If you find one of those that serve a good industry and they can chain hop i guess that would be a good one?
Posted by trux83LSU
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Posted on 9/12/21 at 8:04 pm to
Btw anyone that got the good bridge token, it auto compounds in your wallet.
Posted by TheDuke5524
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Posted on 9/12/21 at 8:14 pm to
Solana must be exhausted from running so much the last few weeks.
Posted by Douglas Quaid
Mars
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Posted on 9/12/21 at 9:16 pm to
quote:

Is crypto a zero sum game?


I don't think "zero sum" adequately explains it, but I believe the trend will be something similar to that in effect.

The sum total market cap of the crypto market will continue to increase. $1T -> $2T -> $3T -> many many T's. The question for an investor is of course how this pie gets sliced up going forward.

There are already thousands of projects out there with little to no technical distinction separating them besides name and marketing.

Eventually the market should converge upon a handful of protocols which most all will agree are clearly and provably technically superior in terms of scalability, security, decentralization and user friendliness. The platforms should gobble up a lot of the pie. I think what causes the trend towards convergence is user desire for ease and interoperability.

To me it still feels like crypto is waiting for a true killer app to bring in "the masses". It's not there yet.
Posted by Hulkklogan
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Posted on 9/12/21 at 9:24 pm to
Some chains are optimized for different use cases. VeChain's design is strong for things like supply chains. Telcoin has its own chain, Rivendell, that is optimized for remittance/money transfers and validated by MVNOs.

If you are asking which smart contract-focused chain will win out, I still don't think it's zero-sum. Chains like Ethereum, Cardano, and whoever else gets that big will all interop with each other. People and companies will have a preferred chain depending on what develops on the ecosystems and how the blockchains themselves operate.

quote:

Douglas Quaid


Yes, that.
This post was edited on 9/12/21 at 9:26 pm
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 9/12/21 at 9:27 pm to
quote:

Btw anyone that got the good bridge token, it auto compounds in your wallet.



Wish I would've used the bridge instead of ElkDex now... big sad. Slippage on a low-volume dex cost me almost as much as ethereum gas fees anyway.
Posted by METAL
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Posted on 9/12/21 at 9:28 pm to
Throw those gains at HEX. You’ll thank me later.
Posted by TigerTatorTots
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Posted on 9/12/21 at 9:56 pm to
quote:

There will be room for many winners.
Disagree
quote:

Long-term, I don't think Bitcoin will be the #1 cryptocurrency.

Depends on what long term is to you but within the next 10 years, hard disagree.
Posted by Hulkklogan
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 9/12/21 at 10:32 pm to
quote:

Depends on what long term is to you but within the next 10 years, hard disagree.


When I say that, 10 years would be the earliest, barring a collapse of the network after block rewards cease and miners only get transaction fees.

Network effect and name recognition go a long, long way to keep Bitcoin on top, but Bitcoin will eventually be passed up by something else.
Posted by METAL
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Posted on 9/12/21 at 10:36 pm to
I bet it happens much sooner than 10 years.
Posted by FnTigers
Member since Sep 2021
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Posted on 9/12/21 at 11:41 pm to
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I bet it happens much sooner than 10 years.
2 years. Maybe less.
Posted by METAL
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 9/13/21 at 6:35 am to
Would any of those still downvoting HEX care to make a wager?
Posted by Douglas Quaid
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Posted on 9/13/21 at 7:10 am to
quote:

Network effect and name recognition go a long, long way to keep Bitcoin on top, but Bitcoin will eventually be passed up by something else.


Agree. Also, BTC still has the perception of being the most secure dlt. That is obviously very important but it remains to be seen if more efficient PoS and hybrid systems can offer similar security. I tend to believe that they can. When the market believes it the flippening should occur.

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