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re: NSIAP: Bill Nye's Degenerate "My Sex Junk" children's singalong (NSFW)
Posted on 4/28/17 at 5:30 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 4/28/17 at 5:30 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:You don't like to expound upon your responses unless prodded, do you? Saying "No it doesn't" and "Yes it does" is schoolyard. If you disagree, you should provide a reason for why you disagree.
Yes it does.
quote:Perhaps you are referring to a stereotype. I do require proof and have enough of it to satisfy my own desire for it. Philosophy has given me sufficient proof in God and the Bible has given me sufficient proof of His revelation about Himself.
Sure. You can find anything if you look hard enough and require no proof.
quote:Another non-supported answer. "Why" may become my go-to word pretty soon.
Incorrect. Science and history absolutely contribute to our morality.
I didn't say "contribute". I said "address". In case my meaning wasn't clear enough, what I meant was that they can only tell you how the natural world operates and what has happened in the past (assuming we have sufficient knowledge) but they cannot provide an objective basis for morality because morality is an immaterial concept which differs from person to person unless a particular code is forced upon people in some way.
Without God (or some other unchanging law-giver that is transcends above humanity), you have one moral code among many that is either agreed upon by consensus or forced upon people by whoever has enough power to do so. That is not objective and science and history cannot provide an objective basis for morality.
quote:Again with an answer that has no explanation. Why do you think this statement is wrong and by what standard do you judge it as such?
This is complete bull shite. Maybe not for your version, but I don't care about that.
Also, you seem to care about it enough to respond.
quote:Again, what standard are you using to justify the term "worse" in your statement? Since you apparently reject God, I'm curious what standard you are using to judge right and wrong, better and worse in order to condemn what I am saying.
Only if you believe in the mythology. Cherry-picking, or worse, using religion for control of other people is far worse than anything atheism has ever or will ever do.
Atheism can be responsible for any manner of evil you want to think of. In a world where there is no God, no afterlife, and no judgement for what you do on earth, there is no eternal comeuppance for what we do in our lives, and so someone with no arbitrary goal to live for can do whatever they want to others knowing that in the end, they will just cease to exist. I credit this mentality for the murder-suicides that seem so prevalent these days, including the mass shootings and massacres.
quote:Why?
More bull shite. You need that to be true to have some validity, but it isn't.
Atheists certainly do borrow from the Christian worldview. Take laws of logic, for instance. What basis is there for laws of logic in a materialistic universe? Laws of logic aren't material, and yet they are universal. You can't decide on laws of logic through consensus like atheists want to do with morality. A worldview without God (who Christians believe is the creator of laws of logic, since they act in accordance to rationality within God's own mind) cannot account for the laws of logic. It has to borrow from a worldview with a God to even make sense of how they perceive the world (how can we even trust our senses?) and study it (how can we expect causality to hold true?)
quote:Why?
Also incorrect.
What's your justification for saying one moral code is better or worse than another if there is no objective standard to judge by? It's like saying what flavor of ice cream is best. There isn't one (it's rocky road), because "best" is based on each person's tastes and no flavor is objectively better or worse than another.
This post was edited on 4/28/17 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 4/28/17 at 5:35 pm to FooManChoo
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You don't like to expound upon your responses unless prodded, do you?
I don't when I don't care if you agree with me or not. I could write you a novel, and you won't change your mind. You have your faith, and that's fine, but don't pretend there's anything I can say that would persuade you to agree with my points.
So, yes, I'll pass on getting into a debate with you about your beliefs.
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proof
That's not proof.
quote:
Atheism can be responsible for any manner of evil you want to think of.
No, it can't.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 5:44 pm to FooManChoo
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Atheists certainly do borrow from the Christian worldview. Take laws of logic, for instance. What basis is there for laws of logic in a materialistic universe? Laws of logic aren't material, and yet they are universal. You can't decide on laws of logic through consensus like atheists want to do with morality. A worldview without God (who Christians believe is the creator of laws of logic, since they act in accordance to rationality within God's own mind) cannot account for the laws of logic. It has to borrow from a worldview with a God to even make sense of how they perceive the world (how can we even trust our senses?) and study it (how can we expect causality to hold true?)
This is monumentally stupid.
Your lack of any critical self-reflection is simply cringeworthy.
This post was edited on 4/28/17 at 5:46 pm
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