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A guide to the French Elections
Posted on 4/19/17 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 4/19/17 at 3:03 pm
Why are you making this list?
Because at least one person's going to make a thread on 23 April talking about how x candidate is now the President of France despite it going to a run-off.
So you think people on this board are stupid?
There are at least a few Bama sidewalk fans on here, yes.
So get to it. What's complicated about the French elections?
Well, France has a system that, on first glance, looks a bit like the American system before the 17th amendment. They have a bicameral legislature, but only the lower house (the National Assembly) gets elected by the people. They also have a President.
Then things get complicated. In order to win the Presidency or a seat in the National Assembly, you have to have 50% + 1 of the vote. If no candidate in a race hits that mark, the top two candidates go to a run-off. Further, the elections for the National Assembly and the Presidency are held on separate days.
So the French are going to the polls this year on 23 April, 7 May, 11 June, and 18 June.
frick me.
Yep.
And who goes first?
The presidential elections are the first two dates. The elections for the National Assembly follow.
Ok.
Who's running for President?
11 people, but only five have a real shot. They are:
Marine Le Pen
She's the candidate for Front National, a party founded by her father, a Vichy-apologist and Holocaust denier. Her main issues are getting out of the EU, leaving NATO, reforming France's immigration laws, the nationalisation of banks, the abandonment of nuclear power, major tax hikes on corporations, the Havana Charter, lifting sanctions on Putin, recognising Putin's invasion of Ukraine, and banning the public, personal display of religious imagery.
Emmanuel Macron
He's the candidate for En Marche!, a 'centrist' party that he formed last year after resigning from President Francois Hollande's government. His key policies are cutting the corporate tax rate to 25%, merging benefit systems, allowing companies to negotiate on the work week, local housing tax exemptions.
Francois Fillon
He's the candidate for the Republicans. He wants a return to the 39 hour work week, raising the retirement age to 65, he wants to dramatically cut spending, he wants to end the wealth tax, and he's a social conservative.
Jean-Luc Melenchon
A former Socialist who thought they weren't left-wing enough, he's the candidate for France Unbowed. He wants to leave the EU, to leave NATO, to nationalise the banks, and a massive minimum wage hike.
Benoit Hamon
He's the Socialist. He wants all of current President Hollande's policies (possibly bumped up a bit), plus the legalisation of marijuana, universal basic income, and a tax on robots.
What do the polls say?
The polls have the top two as Le Pen and Macron, but about 1/3 of the population are undecided and another 1/3 are abstaining altogether because they think France is fricked with this group.
If those two do end up making the run-off, what would happen?
Going by history, Macron would end up winning big. The FN candidates in the National Assembly normally do well in the first round and then get ganged up on in the run-off. This happened in the last elections round of special elections, where the FN really thought that they'd do something BIG, but ended up getting smashed.
But what happens if it's Le Pen and some nut like the Melenchon guy?
Do you remember the recent Austrian elections? Probably the same thing - Melenchon would probably win.
Have there been any scandals?
A better question would be 'which candidate's scandal has hurt them the most?' That answer would probably be Fillon's. His dumbass Welsh wife gave an interview where she said that she and her sons haven't done any work in years. Unfortunately for Fillon, he's been paying them to work as his advisers (this is a very normal thing in France). He had been promoting himself as the 'moral, trustworthy' candidate, so this hurt him a ton.
Does he still have a shot?
Yes, but only because of the National Assembly. Both he and Hamon (who has been an afterthought in the polls), are the only candidates with any polling behind them who have an actual, established party.
Why is that important?
In the French system, if the President and the National Assembly don't agree, you get something called 'cohabitation', and the President becomes a largely ceremonial role. You see, although the President has the power to choose a Prime Minister, the National Assembly can overthrow the Prime Minister and pick their own.
Oh.
Yep.
Le Pen's FN currently has two members of the National Assembly and Macron's party, being brand new, has zero. If they're able to win the Presidency, their party will likely get some more people in the National Assembly in June, but not enough to stop cohabitation.
So if Le Pen or Macron wins, France has a cermonial President for five years?
If it's Le Pen, almost certainly. If it's Macron, it's possible that his former party will support some of his policies.
So why are they leading in the polls?
Because Francois Hollande managed to cause massive disillusionment in France. Also, because Fillon really, really hoped that his scandal would blow over and he'd easily make the run-off, so he refused to step aside for another candidate.
Because at least one person's going to make a thread on 23 April talking about how x candidate is now the President of France despite it going to a run-off.
So you think people on this board are stupid?
There are at least a few Bama sidewalk fans on here, yes.
So get to it. What's complicated about the French elections?
Well, France has a system that, on first glance, looks a bit like the American system before the 17th amendment. They have a bicameral legislature, but only the lower house (the National Assembly) gets elected by the people. They also have a President.
Then things get complicated. In order to win the Presidency or a seat in the National Assembly, you have to have 50% + 1 of the vote. If no candidate in a race hits that mark, the top two candidates go to a run-off. Further, the elections for the National Assembly and the Presidency are held on separate days.
So the French are going to the polls this year on 23 April, 7 May, 11 June, and 18 June.
frick me.
Yep.
And who goes first?
The presidential elections are the first two dates. The elections for the National Assembly follow.
Ok.
Who's running for President?
11 people, but only five have a real shot. They are:
Marine Le Pen
She's the candidate for Front National, a party founded by her father, a Vichy-apologist and Holocaust denier. Her main issues are getting out of the EU, leaving NATO, reforming France's immigration laws, the nationalisation of banks, the abandonment of nuclear power, major tax hikes on corporations, the Havana Charter, lifting sanctions on Putin, recognising Putin's invasion of Ukraine, and banning the public, personal display of religious imagery.
Emmanuel Macron
He's the candidate for En Marche!, a 'centrist' party that he formed last year after resigning from President Francois Hollande's government. His key policies are cutting the corporate tax rate to 25%, merging benefit systems, allowing companies to negotiate on the work week, local housing tax exemptions.
Francois Fillon
He's the candidate for the Republicans. He wants a return to the 39 hour work week, raising the retirement age to 65, he wants to dramatically cut spending, he wants to end the wealth tax, and he's a social conservative.
Jean-Luc Melenchon
A former Socialist who thought they weren't left-wing enough, he's the candidate for France Unbowed. He wants to leave the EU, to leave NATO, to nationalise the banks, and a massive minimum wage hike.
Benoit Hamon
He's the Socialist. He wants all of current President Hollande's policies (possibly bumped up a bit), plus the legalisation of marijuana, universal basic income, and a tax on robots.
What do the polls say?
The polls have the top two as Le Pen and Macron, but about 1/3 of the population are undecided and another 1/3 are abstaining altogether because they think France is fricked with this group.
If those two do end up making the run-off, what would happen?
Going by history, Macron would end up winning big. The FN candidates in the National Assembly normally do well in the first round and then get ganged up on in the run-off. This happened in the last elections round of special elections, where the FN really thought that they'd do something BIG, but ended up getting smashed.
But what happens if it's Le Pen and some nut like the Melenchon guy?
Do you remember the recent Austrian elections? Probably the same thing - Melenchon would probably win.
Have there been any scandals?
A better question would be 'which candidate's scandal has hurt them the most?' That answer would probably be Fillon's. His dumbass Welsh wife gave an interview where she said that she and her sons haven't done any work in years. Unfortunately for Fillon, he's been paying them to work as his advisers (this is a very normal thing in France). He had been promoting himself as the 'moral, trustworthy' candidate, so this hurt him a ton.
Does he still have a shot?
Yes, but only because of the National Assembly. Both he and Hamon (who has been an afterthought in the polls), are the only candidates with any polling behind them who have an actual, established party.
Why is that important?
In the French system, if the President and the National Assembly don't agree, you get something called 'cohabitation', and the President becomes a largely ceremonial role. You see, although the President has the power to choose a Prime Minister, the National Assembly can overthrow the Prime Minister and pick their own.
Oh.
Yep.
Le Pen's FN currently has two members of the National Assembly and Macron's party, being brand new, has zero. If they're able to win the Presidency, their party will likely get some more people in the National Assembly in June, but not enough to stop cohabitation.
So if Le Pen or Macron wins, France has a cermonial President for five years?
If it's Le Pen, almost certainly. If it's Macron, it's possible that his former party will support some of his policies.
So why are they leading in the polls?
Because Francois Hollande managed to cause massive disillusionment in France. Also, because Fillon really, really hoped that his scandal would blow over and he'd easily make the run-off, so he refused to step aside for another candidate.
This post was edited on 4/20/17 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 4/19/17 at 3:06 pm to TN Bhoy
You could have just linked Last Week Tonight's segment on this
Posted on 4/19/17 at 3:07 pm to TN Bhoy
Upvote. Thanks for posting this and taking the time to make it comprehensive.
#MFGA
#MFGA
Posted on 4/19/17 at 3:09 pm to Salmon
quote:
You could have just linked Last Week Tonight's segment on this
I don't watch that show.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 3:11 pm to TN Bhoy
quote:You know I didn't need another reason to dislike Le Pen but here we are
the abandonment of nuclear power
Also lol at including Hamon, has he cracked double figures in any poll?
This post was edited on 4/19/17 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 4/19/17 at 3:11 pm to TN Bhoy
Interesting. Because he broke it down almost exactly how you broke it down.
Of course, he hates Le Pen, so he went hard on her, but otherwise it was a good segment.
Of course, he hates Le Pen, so he went hard on her, but otherwise it was a good segment.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 3:17 pm to Iosh
quote:
Also lol at including Hamon, has he cracked double figures in any poll?
I included him because (a) he's the candidate for the incumbent party and (b) he could surprise people if the French go to the polls worried about cohabitation - the Socialists still have the majority in the National Assembly.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 3:18 pm to TN Bhoy
If Melanchon wins, why couldn't he just form a coalition type government with the National Assembly?
Posted on 4/19/17 at 3:23 pm to CommoDawg
quote:
If Melanchon wins, why couldn't he just form a coalition type government with the National Assembly?
Of the five front-runners (using that term loosely), the only one almost completely fricked when it comes to the National Assembly is Le Pen. Melenchon is pretty close, because a wing of the Socialists hate him, and he didn't make it any better a couple weeks ago with his comments about Hamon.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 3:51 pm to TN Bhoy
Downvote for not mentioning the impact that RADICAL ISLAMIC TERROR has had in France and on this election.
So important to name it, folks!
So important to name it, folks!
This post was edited on 4/19/17 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 4/19/17 at 4:02 pm to TN Bhoy
They need a candidate with Fillons economic policy combined with Le Pens nationalism and immigration policy
Posted on 4/19/17 at 4:04 pm to thelawnwranglers
quote:
What is the Havana charter?
The wet dream of John Maynard Keynes. It was a UN proposal that created a bunch of rules regulating trade and business practices. The Senate killed it in the 50s, which stopped it from coming into force worldwide.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 4:13 pm to TN Bhoy
It should be noted that Le Pen has called for a ban on the public wearing of yarmulkes, there's a reason that despite her ejecting her father a lot of people worry that she could signal a rise in anti-semitism in France.
Awesome guide TN.
Awesome guide TN.
This post was edited on 4/19/17 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 4/19/17 at 4:31 pm to TN Bhoy
quote:
He's the candidate for En Marche!, a 'centrist' party
Not centrist, but a right one.
quote:
He wants to leave the EU, (...) and he wants a universal basic income
Leaving the EU is an option, but that's not what he wants. And the universal income is from Hamon.
quote:
If it's Macron, it's possible that his former party will support some of his policies.
He already has more support from them than Hamon..
Posted on 4/19/17 at 5:00 pm to TN Bhoy
quote:
She's the candidate for Front National, a party founded by her father, a Vichy-apologist and Holocaust denier. Her main issues are getting out of the EU, leaving NATO, reforming France's immigration laws, the nationalisation of banks, the abandonment of nuclear power, major tax hikes on corporations, the Havana Charter, lifting sanctions on Putin, recognising Putin's invasion of Ukraine, and banning the public, personal display of religious imagery.
Dang. She sounds like a Berniebot/SJW who doesn't like immigrants.
The MSM keeps calling her far right but her platform is far left (including antisemitism).
Posted on 4/19/17 at 5:18 pm to TN Bhoy
Hey, thanks for this. Nice write up. 
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