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re: So long climate change
Posted on 3/28/17 at 4:07 pm to wt9
Posted on 3/28/17 at 4:07 pm to wt9
To quote economists, "in the long run we're all dead."
That's the problem in going through the economic pain to address this issue. Perhaps there'll be a breakthrough to take stuff out of the air or artificially cool. Many years off though...
That's the problem in going through the economic pain to address this issue. Perhaps there'll be a breakthrough to take stuff out of the air or artificially cool. Many years off though...
This post was edited on 3/28/17 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 3/28/17 at 4:10 pm to TejasHorn
Recently a group in Germany(?) noticed a certain seaweed that lowered the amount of carbon. Stores the carbon and helps counter the effects of climate change. Now keep in mind these are the same group who are supposedly faking the data to make money, now they are against their own agendas by helping? All seems like a big stretch but anyways heres an article on the seaweed
LINK
LINK
Posted on 3/28/17 at 4:13 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:Odd, in the last AGW thread you said you disagreed with but respected me as someone whose opinions were "well founded and considered." Now it appears I'm a religious fanatic. Must I re-earn your respect every thread by chasing you on a ten-page Gish gallop about the relevance of glaciation?
Incredible coming from the religion of warmism.
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Which again sort of begs question of the "Science is settled" crowd, why are we in an Ice Age?
What harbingers of related climate change should we be alert to in that regard?
Posted on 3/28/17 at 4:13 pm to NC_Tigah
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Which again sort of begs question of the "Science is settled" crowd, why are we in an Ice Age?
This is why it is no longer referred to as Global Warming. because we are actually in a cooling down period. Now it is Climate Change....because that is horrible. Climates normally stay the same and never changes.
Now the world is cooling down because of man, so we need to cut emissions. And, while we are at it, the cattle are causing a lot of this mess too with their gaseous expulsions. We need to think of what we can do about them, too.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 4:17 pm to deltaland
quote:It's Italian
That's Latin darling.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 4:19 pm to Machine
Was the blue pic after he signed the order?
Posted on 3/28/17 at 4:29 pm to olddawg26
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olddawg26
You'll eventually learn not to debate this issue around here. The conspiracy and armchair science crew arrives and you'll go in circles.
The reason these threads are always 20 pages long.
and interesting article indeed. thanks.
This post was edited on 3/28/17 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 3/28/17 at 4:36 pm to TejasHorn
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You'll eventually learn not to debate this issue around here. The conspiracy and armchair science crew arrives and you'll go in circles.
You're projecting again.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 5:13 pm to olddawg26
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Recently a group in Germany(?) noticed a certain seaweed that lowered the amount of carbon. Stores the carbon
all plants fix carbon.
It's called photosynthesis.
progs are really really stupid.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 6:29 pm to olddawg26
Hey olddawg,
Reasonable people can disagree.
I know we have been in a warming period for about the last 100 years. That's a scientific fact.
I believe it essentially 100% natural and that man has contributed very little to it. There is no scientific data that can consign this percentage to natural climate change and that percentage to man. Therefore I believe but cannot prove, and neither can my opposition.
The "scientific evidence" for man's impact is computer model generated. These computer programs have not been able to back predict past changes and future ones. There has been some cheating in the science of man made global warming (mmgw). Scientific research grants are doled out by politicians and corporate publicity promoters interested in public good will not hard science. Scientists are humans who must make a living and will not bite the hand that feeds them. Remember how many impartial scientists found nothing dangerous from cigarettes; yes their grants were from tobacco companies. This doesn't discredit mmgw but it does tarnish it's scientific impartiality. Yet when one points out rational doubts, non scientific ADVOCATES parade dribble like 97% and "consensus science" to justify calling you a science denier, a capitalistic stooge, and a knuckle dragging Neanderthal.
These same advocates never recognize the true cost both economically and to human life of shifting to "green" energy sources. They further underestimate the cost and ability to scale these sources to meet current demand. Research the it-will-kill-you-now pollution generated to produce "cheap" Chinese solar panels that are still not economically viable with fossil and nuclear fuels.
Let's have a real discussion about the need to shift the whole world's economic foundations. Are we really causing the warming? A warmer world is actually more friendly to humans; is that not desirable? How much of a real difference will this massive disruption make?And what are the real costs and benefits of our choices?
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I honestly don't know what to say... Someone making sense in a rational form. I just, I think I might cry. Dale comes in usually and fricks a bunch of doorknobs and makes these threads go awry. I see what you're saying of course, I dont think we're very far off the same idea, just in different directions.
Reasonable people can disagree.
I know we have been in a warming period for about the last 100 years. That's a scientific fact.
I believe it essentially 100% natural and that man has contributed very little to it. There is no scientific data that can consign this percentage to natural climate change and that percentage to man. Therefore I believe but cannot prove, and neither can my opposition.
The "scientific evidence" for man's impact is computer model generated. These computer programs have not been able to back predict past changes and future ones. There has been some cheating in the science of man made global warming (mmgw). Scientific research grants are doled out by politicians and corporate publicity promoters interested in public good will not hard science. Scientists are humans who must make a living and will not bite the hand that feeds them. Remember how many impartial scientists found nothing dangerous from cigarettes; yes their grants were from tobacco companies. This doesn't discredit mmgw but it does tarnish it's scientific impartiality. Yet when one points out rational doubts, non scientific ADVOCATES parade dribble like 97% and "consensus science" to justify calling you a science denier, a capitalistic stooge, and a knuckle dragging Neanderthal.
These same advocates never recognize the true cost both economically and to human life of shifting to "green" energy sources. They further underestimate the cost and ability to scale these sources to meet current demand. Research the it-will-kill-you-now pollution generated to produce "cheap" Chinese solar panels that are still not economically viable with fossil and nuclear fuels.
Let's have a real discussion about the need to shift the whole world's economic foundations. Are we really causing the warming? A warmer world is actually more friendly to humans; is that not desirable? How much of a real difference will this massive disruption make?And what are the real costs and benefits of our choices?
Posted on 3/28/17 at 6:35 pm to Iosh
quote:
Eppur si riscalda
¡Traduzca usted, por favor! No hablo italiano.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 6:38 pm to tarzana
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¡Traduzca usted, por favor! No hablo italiano.
Ich verstehe nicht. Sprichst du Deutsch bitte.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 6:42 pm to olddawg26
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China is putting green energy first
So green energy is first in production in China?
Posted on 3/28/17 at 6:52 pm to goatmilker
I got to say OleDawgBaw gave it a good 3-4 hour run on this topic.
I may be skeptical now.
I may be skeptical now.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 7:05 pm to PoundFoolish
Goddamn. Just take a moment to look at Trumps face in that pick. Hot mess.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 7:43 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Judicial Watch's hard on for Obama just grew 2 inches.
When it rains it pours, Barry.
When it rains it pours, Barry.
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A nonprofit government watchdog group filed a suit Monday against the Department of Commerce for communications between two federal scientists who influenced the Obama administration’s climate change policy. Judicial Watch filed a Feb. 6, 2017, Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request seeking communications between National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) scientist Thomas Karl and White House Office of Science and Technology Policy Director John Holdren over the course of Barack Obama’s presidency. Read more: https://dailycaller.com/2017/03/27/watchdog-sues-for-obama-climate-change-scientists-communications/#ixzz4cffnvq98
Posted on 3/28/17 at 7:50 pm to Gaspergou202
quote:That's an opinion. You, nor I nor anyone else knows if this is the beginning of a sustained warming trend or merely another spike much like the Minoan warming of about 10k years ago, or any of the other half dozen spikes of the last 10-15k years.
Reasonable people can disagree.
I know we have been in a warming period for about the last 100 years. That's a scientific fact.
We do know at some point it will significantly warm up. Is that now? I think it might be, we have been in a cold period the last million years or so. Historically we could be in a longer cold period, but graphically from the data this feels more like the Ordovician/Silurian cooling/warming pattern than the Jurassic which was longer duration.
You're dead on with the rest IMO.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 7:57 pm to Machine
Unlike you, I've been there. Beijing is in a bowl. When the wind blows, it clears out. It's still as horrible as ever in the winter.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:12 pm to Centinel
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Ich verstehe nicht. Sprichst du Deutsch bitte.
Two downvotes.
I figured I'd have my boy goldennugget here to defend the master race
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