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re: To all the pro-choice people
Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:16 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:16 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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the United States military had nothing to do with it
So you're saying the US has NOT killed any babies with drone strikes?
Do you want to join those who would rather pick at a technicality than acknowledge our tax money goes to killing babies in foreign lands?
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Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:19 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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So you're saying the US has NOT killed any babies with drone strikes?
Not a single one that proves your point, no.
I generally like you and I feel bad for forcing you into this corner, so I'll allow you to come out of it.
You've shown you're uninformed on this specific issue already, so drop it. You can win this without being completely wrong on a relatively meaningless point.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:21 pm to poncho villa
My wife was on Depo Provera when we conceived our son. It's over 99% effective. You can be a responsible adult, on birth control, and have it fail.
If a man doesn't want a child, and he expresses that during pregnancy, he shouldn't be on the hook either.
The government has zero business being involved in either issue.
If a man doesn't want a child, and he expresses that during pregnancy, he shouldn't be on the hook either.
The government has zero business being involved in either issue.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:22 pm to poncho villa
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WHAT ARE THE STATISTICS YOU FOOL, PLEASE BRING ME JUICY STATISTICS
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A 1996 study of 44 cases of rape-related pregnancy estimated that in the United States, the pregnancy rate is 5.0% per rape among victims of reproductive age (aged 12 to 45). A 1987 study also found a 5% pregnancy rate from rape among 18- to 24-year-old college students in the US.
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Physician Felicia H. Stewart and economist James Trussell estimated that the 333,000 assaults and rapes reported in the US in 1998 caused about 25,000 pregnancies, and up to 22,000 of those pregnancies could have been prevented by prompt medical treatment, such as emergency contraception.
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So 25,000 and 5%, an actual higher rate than those actively trying to become pregnant or just frick around.
It's a very relevant stat, and the fact that you're trying to trivialize it, quite frankly go frick yourself.
This post was edited on 3/25/17 at 7:23 pm
Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:23 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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You've shown you're uninformed on this specific issue already
The issue of our government "killing babies"?
Really?
Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:25 pm to llfshoals
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He won't because it destroys his position.
I provided them. 25,000 a year. frick you.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:25 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Yes. You posted, several times now, an image from Lebanon in the early 80s that was completely unrelated to your point.
Doubling down is not a good look.
Doubling down is not a good look.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:27 pm to OMLandshark
quote:Anyone who is pro-life because they view the pre born child as alive would be inconsistent to support abortions in the case of rape. The issue isn't the mother and the context of how or why she got pregnant but the life of the child.
If someone is raped and is impregnated, they absolutely should be allowed to abort it. You're either incredibly stupid or a depraved sadist if you think otherwise.
Why stop at rape? What about a woman who gets willfully pregnant by a man who she loved or cared about but found out that he cheated, he left her, or he started beating her? Wouldn't it also be "cruel" to force her to give birth if she was traumatized in some way by the relationship?
This post was edited on 3/25/17 at 7:31 pm
Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:28 pm to TheWalrus
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why should the tax payer be on the hook for recreational sex
All sex is recreational.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:28 pm to poncho villa
I split the difference and pay for the abortions.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:29 pm to FooManChoo
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Anyone who is pro-life because they view the pre born child as alive would be inconsistent to support abortions in the case of rape. The issue isn't the mother and the context of how or why she got pregnant but the life of the child.
I would bet that, if women were forced to carry the product of rape for nine+ months, you'd start losing a lot more lives than just those of embryos and fetuses.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:34 pm to OMLandshark
You linked me wikipedia rape cases from 1996
Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:35 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Meh, paste this in a google image search and it's the first image.
"drone attack dead children in Pakistan"
No - image still came up as Beirut - and not the first. You are aware Google's search algorithms are weighted based on your search history, their cache of you, and cookies you have left lying around?
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So you're saying we haven't killed any babies with drone strikes?
Are you seriously going to deflect from the fact that people will complain when their money goes to abortions as killing babies, but there's not a peep out of them when their money is used to kill babies in foreign lands?
NO - Drone stricken dead babies and abortions are very different and only tied together in your mind by the fact they both cost money. I am under no such delusion - that's your deflect.
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Seriously?
Yes, seriously. They are not connected.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:35 pm to FooManChoo
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Anyone who is pro-life because they view the pre born child as alive would be inconsistent to support abortions in the case of rape. The issue isn't the mother and the context of how or why she got pregnant but the life of the child.
Let's say your daughter is gang rapped by 12 people and impregnated at the age of 14. She wakes up every morning with morning sickness, her belly is growing, and she's crying her arse off all day and night saying "please make it stop daddy, make it stop!"
If you are a halfway decent father and really human being at large, you would immediately drive your daughter to the abortion clinic. Sorry but to say this abomination deserves life is to say that God wanted her to get rapped in order to have this kid. I think to any sane person that a God who would want a 14 year old to get rapped to have a kid is not one worth worshipping.
Any sane loving person would exterminate that baby for the sake of their own child. If you would make your kid carry that baby to term, I really see that as completely monstrous. Shame on people like you who say that people who aborted their rape babies made the wrong decision. Shame on you.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:37 pm to OMLandshark
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Let's say your daughter is gang rapped by 12 people and impregnated at the age of 14
Could you link me the amount of times a 14 year old is gang raped and impregnated? I love hypothetical tho,
What if the north koreans invaded the US.
If a 14 year old girl is raped and impregnated, abortion is absolutely fine. But that specific scenario almost never happens. if it did it would be HUGE NEWS.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:41 pm to poncho villa
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You linked me wikipedia rape cases from 1996
Let's say it's even half that. What the frick does that matter.
The fact of the matter is you're trivializing rape victims and you're honestly a very bad person if you do that. It's really sickens.
And it's two studies, but they're the first I ran into and both were at 5% which seems consistent. I remember back in 2012 that Todd Aiken's numbers were actually inverse on rape victims, and those were the first two I found. I can keep digging, but I'm pretty sure stats from 2012 as literally any sane person agreed with will back me up as well.
Shame on you for trivializing rape victims and acting like they're not a very important part of the abortion debate. Shame on you.
This post was edited on 3/25/17 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:42 pm to FooManChoo
FooManChoo, comparing the physical & mental horrors of rape to the "trauma" of a broken relationship is exactly why I am against any male, and the majority of politicians are male, having a say so when it comes to abortions. My sister was brutally raped & tortured & mutilated by an animal, impregnated, and assholes like you are the last people on earth who should judge her, let alone be in any position to pass laws regarding her body. Get down out of your ivory tower & live among real people with real life issues.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:43 pm to dmjones
A lot of women already choose to carry those children to term and don't commit suicide. If more women did start committing suicide, that would certainly be tragic, but then again so are the millions of abortions.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:45 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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You posted, several times now, an image from Lebanon in the early 80s that was completely unrelated to your point.
Doubling down is not a good look.
Serious question, does the point really get lost? Is there some implication that since I referenced an incorrect picture, my point is rendered invalid?
I see a difference between a blunder in image selection, and an error in logic.
BTW, I replaced the image with a more 'correct' one to make my point.
I'll try to be more precise than selecting the first image that pops up in a google image search for, "drone attack dead children in Pakistan" (try it).
Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:48 pm to poncho villa
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Could you link me the amount of times a 14 year old is gang raped and impregnated? I love hypothetical tho,
It's enough where it's a fricking issue, you piece of fricking horse shite. I'm not even going to fricking look it up, but do you really think 13 and 14 year olds aren't raped by older men? I mean shite, all I have to do is link a random episode of "To Catch a Predator" for you to know this is regularly happening.
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What if the north koreans invaded the US.
Because that's never happened, you sexist count.
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But that specific scenario almost never happens. if it did it would be HUGE NEWS.
Really? Go look it up. I'm sure you'll see a local story in the past week of that happening.
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