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Posted on 3/20/17 at 3:01 pm to sunnydaze
Wade is a nice pull.
dude isn't a lock to bring us back to prominence but none of the realistic candidates were. shite had you told me at the start Wade would be our guy I probably would have called bullshite.
dude isn't a lock to bring us back to prominence but none of the realistic candidates were. shite had you told me at the start Wade would be our guy I probably would have called bullshite.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 3:01 pm to glorydaze76
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Why aren't we going after a coach who wins ALOT?
Like Ray Harper?
Come on, we know that's what you mean.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 3:01 pm to glorydaze76
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glorydaze76
I don't follow basketball coaches but you seem pretty sure. Who would you get?
Posted on 3/20/17 at 3:10 pm to Mr. Wayne
Look, an established coach at a major program would only come to LSU or some other program in the shape we're currently in under essentially four scenarios:
1. He's on his way out where he is/has gotten stale/wants to start over with less expectations.
2. He doesn't get along with the administration for whatever reason.
3. He's a mercenary and you can straight up buy him.
4. He's an alumnus or a local boy and he's "coming home."
Scenario 1 is essentially Tom Crean, and his situation is #1 on steroids seeing as though he got fired. People in such a scenario tend to be a bit hard to get excited about - obviously their flaws are apparent, and nobody likes apparent flaws in their coach.
Scenarios 2 and 3 should also make one nervous, as in #2 you might be getting someone who's impossible to please and will never stop making demands and threats to leave, and in #3 you're taking a coach in the knowledge he's gone as soon as somebody waves more money at him.
We don't have a Scenario 4 and haven't had one essentially since Joe Dean wouldn't throw the bank at Tim Floyd when Dale Brown retired.
Given that, the most likely hire is a coach at a lower-profile school who wants a more lucrative job at a program with top-flight resources. That means you're looking at schools like Tulsa, Western Kentucky, VCU, Butler, St. Mary's, Rhode Island, Tulane, Rice, Central Florida and Charlotte, to name a few at random.
And of the coaches at those schools, there are few who fit the bill of the young up-and-comer with unlimited potential better than Wade does.
Is he a risk? Sure he is. He could be Sean Miller or Mike White, or he could be Buzz Peterson. It's impossible to tell. But he's won at two different programs, his current VCU recruiting class has been rated as high as No. 18 in the country and he's been lauded as an excellent game planner and floor coach.
At this point, LSU doesn't have anything to lose. Unless you want to say waiting a week or longer for Chris Holtmann at Butler to come available or trying to offer Archie Miller $3 million and change to take the job are better options than Wade - and I am more than willing to engage in that discussion, because credible arguments can be made that those guys are better coaches than Wade - I really don't get the idea that he's an unacceptable risk. There were people pushing Rick Stansbury for this job for some reason, and Will Wade isn't qualified?
1. He's on his way out where he is/has gotten stale/wants to start over with less expectations.
2. He doesn't get along with the administration for whatever reason.
3. He's a mercenary and you can straight up buy him.
4. He's an alumnus or a local boy and he's "coming home."
Scenario 1 is essentially Tom Crean, and his situation is #1 on steroids seeing as though he got fired. People in such a scenario tend to be a bit hard to get excited about - obviously their flaws are apparent, and nobody likes apparent flaws in their coach.
Scenarios 2 and 3 should also make one nervous, as in #2 you might be getting someone who's impossible to please and will never stop making demands and threats to leave, and in #3 you're taking a coach in the knowledge he's gone as soon as somebody waves more money at him.
We don't have a Scenario 4 and haven't had one essentially since Joe Dean wouldn't throw the bank at Tim Floyd when Dale Brown retired.
Given that, the most likely hire is a coach at a lower-profile school who wants a more lucrative job at a program with top-flight resources. That means you're looking at schools like Tulsa, Western Kentucky, VCU, Butler, St. Mary's, Rhode Island, Tulane, Rice, Central Florida and Charlotte, to name a few at random.
And of the coaches at those schools, there are few who fit the bill of the young up-and-comer with unlimited potential better than Wade does.
Is he a risk? Sure he is. He could be Sean Miller or Mike White, or he could be Buzz Peterson. It's impossible to tell. But he's won at two different programs, his current VCU recruiting class has been rated as high as No. 18 in the country and he's been lauded as an excellent game planner and floor coach.
At this point, LSU doesn't have anything to lose. Unless you want to say waiting a week or longer for Chris Holtmann at Butler to come available or trying to offer Archie Miller $3 million and change to take the job are better options than Wade - and I am more than willing to engage in that discussion, because credible arguments can be made that those guys are better coaches than Wade - I really don't get the idea that he's an unacceptable risk. There were people pushing Rick Stansbury for this job for some reason, and Will Wade isn't qualified?
This post was edited on 3/20/17 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 3/20/17 at 3:44 pm to macaoidh
You all have made it well known that your to blinded by the fact that Ray Harper is one of the best coaches in the country PERIOD! So with that said, I have moved on from that scenario to try and help us all figure out who the best coach for the program would be. A retread is not the way to go. There is so much talent in the state of Louisiana that I honestly believe it should be a coach who knows the state. To bring a coach in who can't even pronounce Tchoupitoulas street or has no idea where the West bank is makes no sense. A respected coach who knows the state and the Southeast is who were looking for.
How about we make a profile for who we need and look for someone that way. Rather then a win loss record or who they have coat tailed to success.
LSU Coaching Profile:
*Relentless recruiter
*Passion on the floor
*X's and O's guy
*From the SOUTH - Knows the highschools and coaches
*Proven Winning Formula for success
*Winningtime coach - Knows how to close out wins!
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How about we make a profile for who we need and look for someone that way. Rather then a win loss record or who they have coat tailed to success.
LSU Coaching Profile:
*Relentless recruiter
*Passion on the floor
*X's and O's guy
*From the SOUTH - Knows the highschools and coaches
*Proven Winning Formula for success
*Winningtime coach - Knows how to close out wins!
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???
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\?????
This post was edited on 3/20/17 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 3/20/17 at 3:54 pm to glorydaze76
What was so special about Marshall when Foley hired Donovan who was 35-20 in 2 years there?
All hoops coach hires are a shot in the dark.
If it's not Bill Self, Roy Williams, Calipari, Coach K etc then you have no idea what you're getting.
All hoops coach hires are a shot in the dark.
If it's not Bill Self, Roy Williams, Calipari, Coach K etc then you have no idea what you're getting.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 4:29 pm to glorydaze76
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Why would Wade be who we need at LSU?
Well, he's young, has won at both places he was at and he could probably be had for a salary that isn't completely ridiculous. The downside is that he hasn't been anywhere for more than two years as a head coach, but he's only 34.
LSU is not really going to lure some big name that is already at a good school. LSU has only been to two Sweet 16s in the last 25+ years. They have to take a chance on someone. It will be hard to be worse than we were last year with whoever we go with.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 4:42 pm to lsuman242
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think some people need a reality check on how LSU is looked at around the country when it comes to basketball
They act as if LSU is a basketball blue blood.
This post was edited on 3/20/17 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 3/20/17 at 4:47 pm to glorydaze76
Yeah, who's north Texas' coach these days? They're a coaching pipeline
Posted on 3/20/17 at 7:07 pm to glorydaze76
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Why would Wade be who we need at LSU?
Why would he not be? LSU is a lower tier Basketball program in a lower tier basketball conference. Can LSU get back to the level it was at during the Brown years, absolutely but that is a ways off.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 7:10 pm to macaoidh
Any word if Mike Rhoades has been contacted?
Posted on 3/20/17 at 7:33 pm to Madking
He wins in an area that is very tough to recruit in. If he can win there he can win here with top in state recruits.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 8:54 pm to glorydaze76
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How about we make a profile for who we need and look for someone that way. Rather then a win loss record or who they have coat tailed to success. LSU Coaching Profile: *Relentless recruiter *Passion on the floor *X's and O's guy *From the SOUTH - Knows the highschools and coaches *Proven Winning Formula for success *Winningtime coach - Knows how to close out wins! ?? ??? ???? \?????
Ok, so who ya' got? Or is this just all bullshite?
Posted on 3/20/17 at 8:55 pm to BigSlick
It's Ray Harper. Dude is obsessed with him.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 9:05 pm to JohnnyU
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If it's not Bill Self, Roy Williams, Calipari, Coach K etc then you have no idea what you're getting.
We knew exactly what we were getting with Johnny Jones
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