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Posted on 3/14/17 at 1:11 pm to shel311
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My way takes literally no effort and certainly less effort than your way and i still give them the phone.
Your way is for people who don't care if border agents search your phone, if people do care, my way works fine.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 1:13 pm to NYNolaguy1
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They should have. Handing over your privacy at the threat of handcuffs is abuse.
Can't even admit that your argument was wrong? Really?!? FFS man, search and seizure laws and the latitude given by federal court cases over the last decade is ridiculous. I am fully in agreement with you there. However, disregarding my argument towards this story is disingenuous. This story was meant as a search and seizure/ police abuse hit piece. I can agree with one side and refute the other without substantial evidence to collaborate the whole incident. It's not a take it or leave it situation, one can pick and choose what upsets them and what is too convenient for them to buy without the whole picture.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 1:15 pm to AwesomeSauce
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Can't even admit that your argument was wrong?
What argument did I make?
Posted on 3/14/17 at 1:19 pm to NYNolaguy1
Since when do they have access to my ssn on my phone. You are reaching.
Bet you have kiddie porns on yours
Bet you have kiddie porns on yours
This post was edited on 3/14/17 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 3/14/17 at 1:21 pm to NYNolaguy1
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What argument did I make?
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What about 5000 people?
While quoting my stance that his and his GF's account of the situation fits nicely into his view of the world.
I took that, as well as your assertion that lawful search and seizure was assault and thus backed up the gentleman's claims as an argument against my stance?!
If that's not your stance then your exchanges in regards to my original post seemed to have missed the mark substantially.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 1:21 pm to BiggerBear
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they aren't getting my password.
Terrorist!
Posted on 3/14/17 at 1:24 pm to AwesomeSauce
It is clear that this is a classic case of technology outrunning legislative / constitutional law. This probably started out as a Border Agent opening a notebook in someone's suitcase and now it applies to cell phones. As usual though, the ACLU points the finger at the cops as if they should unilaterally decide not to exercise the authority granted to them by law. That is bullshite.
The fact is that it is their JOB to exercise the authorities granted to them by our elected officials. I don't want to live in a country where non-elected law enforcement officials decide what to enforce and what not to enforce. (Spare me the fricking traffic warning argument here, you know what I mean.)
BUT HERE IS THE RUB. The libs decrying this searching of cell phones were fricking silent for 8 years while their party ran the country. But three months of Trump and they are screaming about cell phone searches. Show me how many of these searches occurred under the previous administration and then we can talk.
Don't like these searches? I don't. Contact your Congressman.
The fact is that it is their JOB to exercise the authorities granted to them by our elected officials. I don't want to live in a country where non-elected law enforcement officials decide what to enforce and what not to enforce. (Spare me the fricking traffic warning argument here, you know what I mean.)
BUT HERE IS THE RUB. The libs decrying this searching of cell phones were fricking silent for 8 years while their party ran the country. But three months of Trump and they are screaming about cell phone searches. Show me how many of these searches occurred under the previous administration and then we can talk.
Don't like these searches? I don't. Contact your Congressman.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 1:25 pm to AwesomeSauce
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While quoting my stance that his and his GF's account of the situation fits nicely into his view of the world
His view of the world should be of no relevance to whether he gets forced into handcuffs for not consenting to a search.
Going after people we disagree with politically is a dangerous road to be on.
If they have evidence that a crime took place get a warrant and call in the goon squad. Short of that this was totally unnecessary.
There was another anecdote that I posted as well that described a similar situation to a citizen on an outgoing flight out of the country. This was not a one time deal.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 1:26 pm to shel311
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There's most definitely certain times to fight for what you believe is right or your rights.
Yes.
And as the ACLU lawyer gal stated, 150 years of cases brought against Customs and Border, not average Joe hometown cop, not FBI, not city/county, not TSA, but Borders and Customs and not one single win for citizens.
The decision comes down to: go home or submit to reach your destination.
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There are other times where it's doing no good and only harm to you. This would be one of those times.
Nailed it.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 1:28 pm to Nado Jenkins83
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Bet you have kiddie porns on yours
Because I don't want the govt snooping through every persons phone without cause?
Sure. Yup. You got me.
I always find it hilarious when people that "value freedom" hand it over at the drop of a hat, and then accuse others of nefarious acts for not doing so.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 1:37 pm to The Egg
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BACK THE BLUE bro, don't question anything they do. if not, then you deserve to die.
Bit of a difference knowing not all cops have your best interest at heart so being careful around them and then just flat out breaking the law, fighting them, and grabbing for a gun when you inevitably get your arse beat by 4 of em.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 1:39 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Because I don't want the govt snooping through every persons phone without cause?
Sure. Yup. You got me.
I always find it hilarious when people that "value freedom" hand it over at the drop of a hat, and then accuse others of nefarious acts for not doing so.
convenient that you dismissed the SSN part.
because that entire post about that shite was retarded.
I don't have anything on my phone (banking app, passwords, etc) as stated previously.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 1:43 pm to Nado Jenkins83
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convenient that you dismissed the SSN part.
Do you think the govt doesn't have your SSN?
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don't have anything on my phone (banking app, passwords, etc) as stated previously.
Why not? Is there something you don't want others to see?
I'd make a fair bet you use credit cards and have a bank account. You probably have Facebook. You certainly use tiger droppings...
Why keep it off your phone?
This post was edited on 3/14/17 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 3/14/17 at 1:45 pm to NYNolaguy1
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His view of the world should be of no relevance to whether he gets forced into handcuffs for not consenting to a search.
You can be fervently against the law, but there is precedent giving border patrol agents authority. Using the authority without justification through a one-sided story is what gives me pause. What happened before? What was said? Were there flags on him due to where he has traveled recently?
This is power that has been legally granted, fricking hate it or not it's power they have. If they have a checks system to hold agents accountable for when and how search and seizures are administered then abuse is not the issue, but the granted authority itself.
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Going after people we disagree with politically is a dangerous road to be on.
As long as the political view held by them isn't an upheaval of my world, then agreed. I don't think all of any race, sect, sex, or religion are completely opposed to the American way of life, but to say it's non-existent when millions across the world celebrated the 9/11 attacks and boston bombings is an asinine argument.
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If they have evidence that a crime took place get a warrant and call in the goon squad. Short of that this was totally unnecessary.
We don't know the whole story, and legally they did what the have the power to do. Just because we think they shouldn't have that power doesn't mean them using it is abuse.
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There was another anecdote that I posted as well that described a similar situation to a citizen on an outgoing flight out of the country. This was not a one time deal.
Obviously. I think once again you are ignoring my stance for the sake of being argumentative. We have one-sided stories that don't give us the whole picture. Millions of people of Muslim ethnicity or religion go into and out of the US as citizens or guests annually. What is the trigger that is leading to the seizure? If it was merely skin color then 5k or even 25k would be a minute representation of the total number, what is the trigger?
Posted on 3/14/17 at 1:46 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Do you think the govt doesn't have your SSN?
posting my ssn on tigerdroppings = government
:rotflmao: i can never take you seriously again.
don't go edit either
Posted on 3/14/17 at 1:50 pm to Nado Jenkins83
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never said that. frankly if this procedure catches criminals whats the harm?
what would you not want them to see?
BUMP
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How about your home, shouldn't law enforcement be allowed to come into anyone's home for any or no reason at all to search their homes? frankly if this procedure catches criminals whats the harm? what would you not want them to see?
Posted on 3/14/17 at 1:51 pm to shel311
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How about your home, shouldn't law enforcement be allowed to come into anyone's home for any or no reason at all to search their homes? frankly if this procedure catches criminals whats the harm? what would you not want them to see?
since when is border patrol coming to a white man's house that was born in america.
this doesn't concern me.
yall are reaching as this story is only at the borders not everywhere.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 1:55 pm to Nado Jenkins83
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this doesn't concern me
And when it does do you expect people to listen to you?
Posted on 3/14/17 at 1:56 pm to Nado Jenkins83
quote:Wait, what's the difference between border patrol and just regular law enforcement?
since when is border patrol coming to a white man's house that was born in america.
this doesn't concern me.
yall are reaching as this story is only at the borders not everywhere.
And when I ask that question, I'm asking under this context: if this procedure catches criminals whats the harm? what would you not want them to see?
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