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re: The suicides continue. Attorney in NYC (different guy)

Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:13 pm to
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:13 pm to
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Thine, do you believe there is a hidden meaning in the Pink Floyd album covers. If so when did you come to that conclusion and why? Also, how much do Gilmour and Waters know?


The short answer is yes.

The long answer is it would take me a few pages to explain/reference. I gave a very abreviated answer in the HLI thread.

If you are familiar with the HLI thread and topics covered, I can rattle off the broad strokes (but it will not mean as much without the album art and lyrics quoted for context)

Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:16 pm to
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When you are crazy, do you realize you are crazy?


If I am, then I have good insight into my condition (which contradicts your internet diagnosis)

If I am not crazy, what does that say about your worldview/perspective...
Posted by BurlesonCountyAg
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:18 pm to
If Pink Floyd knows something, how did they get this info and why don't they use their status to bring it to light?
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:45 pm to
I have always been drawn to their music. Growing up I heard their music as separate songs (not making the immediate connection that it was the same artists due to the different lyrists). These songs on their own became some of my favorites. Once I realized they were from the same band, I acquired a new appreciation for the music (especially when consumed as pieces/albums).

It is my opinion that their music is meant to teach deep life lessons. First example:


LINK

One of the most famous albums of all time grapples with the struggle for balance and what it means to actually live....

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The Meaning of Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon


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So what is the meaning of Dark Side of the Moon?

Dark Side of the Moon is a concept album that discusses the philosophical and physical ideas that can lead to a person's insanity, and ultimately an unfulfilled life.

The album is a cautionary tale in two parts, the first half describes living a life that goes unfulfilled. This part of the album consists of the following tracks:

Speak To Me/Breathe
On The Run
Time/Breathe Reprise
Great Gig In The Sky

The second half of the album consists of individual songs about different ideas and concepts that are detrimental to society and can lead to madness. These songs are:

Money
Us and Them
A color You Like
Brain Damage
Eclipse

The philosophical ideas in the second half of the album are a sort of madness in their own right. They are also the root causes to the problem mentioned in the first half of the album that focuses on living an unfulfilled life.


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Brain Damage is about losing your mind and going insane. The first verse talks about insanity that is caused by happening what's outside your head, with the line,"The lunatic is in the grass." This would be the type of insanity that people see in the physical world, it's a type of tangible insanity.

The second verse continues in this vain, but brings the insanity into a more personal area with the lines, "The lunatic is in my hall." The lyrics have moved insanity from the outer and wider world in the first verse to the private home of the person in the second verse. This type of insanity is a bit more personal and it sounds a lot more disconcerting. The first chorus talks about finally having a mental breakdown, potentially much earlier than a person should have a breakdown. After the mental breakdown, the final line of the chorus says, "I'll see you on the dark side of the moon." The dark side of the moon mentioned in this song is a place for insanity and ideas that are destructive. Of course since the moon is always dark, its also suggesting everyone to a certain point is mad. The final verse now moves insanity to its most personal location, inside your head with the line, "The lunatic is in my head." The verse suggests that the person who is losing his mind will pay any price in order to make him/her sane again, and subsequently they will isolate themselves in order to stop any further destruction of themselves or others.

The final chorus again elaborates on having a mental breakdown. With the line, "And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes... I'll see you on the dark side of the moon," it would appear that the madness was caused by not being able to align your views with the views of everyone else, or most likely society in general. Ultimately that line in the song seems to suggest that people go crazy by resisting what they are told to do all of the time.


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However, on the previous songs in the album, Money, Us and Them, and Any Color You Like discuss the ideas that everyone in society go along with that are insane. From a larger perspective it seems you are insane by following the ideas discussed in Money, Us and Them, and Any Color You Like, or you go insane by resisting them like in Brain Damage.

Posted by Rantavious
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:46 pm to
I've been following your work and links. But my steemit, Reddit, and your HLI work here on TD are no longer available? Links don't work?
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:59 pm to
I think the HLI thread got deleted because someone posted some genital mutilation images in a tangential rant
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 10:11 pm to
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If Pink Floyd knows something, how did they get this info and why don't they use their status to bring it to light?




Iosh and Rakim will commit me after this...

Broad strokes starting with Publius Enigma

Internet riddle regarding the album the Division Bell (album art is to the left as my avatar). The band gave vague answers regarding it. They did mention an intelligence agent possibly designing the riddle (which remains unsolved to this day).

Publius was also a pen name used by the authors of the Federalists Papers

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The Publius Enigma is an Internet phenomenon (and potentially an unsolved problem) that began with cryptic messages posted by a user identifying only as "Publius" to the unmoderated Usenet newsgroup alt.music.pink-floyd through the Penet remailer, a now defunct anonymous information exchange service.[1] The messenger proposed a riddle in connection with the 1994 Pink Floyd album The Division Bell, promising that the answer would lead to a reward.[2] Pink Floyd's lead singer, David Gilmour, denied any involvement[3] while album artist Storm Thorgerson was bemused by the ordeal.[4] Drummer Nick Mason claimed that EMI Records were ultimately responsible.[5] It remains unclear if the enigma involves a genuinely solvable puzzle as part of an early Internet-based contest or was a convoluted hoax engineered in part by the band's management.[6] Regardless, the mystery continues to attract a small but loyal cult following.


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My friends, You have heard the message Pink Floyd has delivered, but have you listened? Perhaps I can be your guide, but I will not solve the enigma for you. All of you must open your minds and communicate with each other, as this is the only way the answers can be revealed. I may help you, but only if obstacles arise. Listen. Read. Think. Communicate. If I don't promise you the answers would you go. Publius


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AS SOME OF YOU HAVE SUSPECTED, "The Division Bell" is not like its predecessors. Although all great music is subject to multiple interpretations, in this case there is a central purpose and a designed solution. For the ingenious person (or group of persons) who recognizes this - and where this information points to - a unique prize has been secreted. How and Where? The Division Bell Listen again Look again As your thoughts will steer you Leading the blind while I stared out the steel in your eyes. Lyrics, artwork and music will take you there


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Nick: That was a ploy done by EMI. They had a man working for them who adored puzzles. He used to work for the Reagan administration [laughter from the crowd, but he was being 100% serious!]. His job then would be to be in meetings with the president and when Reagan would say “Let’s bomb these people” he would say “That’s not a good idea sir!”. He was working for EMI and suggested that a puzzle be created that could be followed on the Web.

The prize [I guess there was really one!] was never given out. To this day it remains unresolved. The prize was something like a crop of trees planted in a clear cut area of forest or something to that effect. It was not to be a prize of some tangible thing [such as a ride in the blimp or a front row seat at Earls Court] but rather a touchy-feely sort of gift that was more of a philanthropic thing than something you could hang on the wall. [I mentioned that the words were displayed on the lights at the Meadowlands gig] We, of course, could not see that from where we stood but clearly members of the crew were in on the riddle. He then confirmed that the 3 band members had NOTHING to do with it, but were aware of it and really didn’t care about it and that the whole this has been dead for years with nobody at EMI left to care about it.


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The comments made by Mason corroborate parts of a previous interview by Sean Heisler with Marc Brickman, Pink Floyd's lighting and production designer and the man apparently responsible for putting the "ENIGMA PUBLIUS" message in the lights at the New Jersey concert. "...I think it really came and out of though - it came out of some guy of Washington DC, that used to be with the CIA or FBI or something that was in the encryption game. He decided he wanted to do some kind of album cover, and he started talking to Steve O'Rourke, and I think what happened was Steve O'Rourke had in his brilliant mind that he was going to try something on the internet because he had been listening to me. And he got this guy, cause if you notice a lot of this stuff can't be traced where it comes from. And I know that Dave for one thing didn't even know how to sign on."[6] Brickman later expressed regret regarding his comments: "i know that sean and the other people were persistent, so i spoke, but really regret saying the things i said in the interview.. if the enigma got people to talk and discuss then it is a good thing, but honestly, i had no part of the matter..."[14] Author Douglas Adams, who was responsible for giving The Division Bell its title,[15] was also questioned during an Internet chat session in 2001. "Question-from James Heaver > Is the publius enigma real? Douglas Adams > It has nothing to do with me - I can't say anything about it."[16]




Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 10:20 pm to
. . . and this is political how?

Oh, I get it. You think this is a big deal because A WHITE GUY KILLED HIMSELF???!!???

Racist . . .

Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 10:21 pm to
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a lot of shite is about to come out this march.

Classic wait and see conspiracy hook. The info is always coming out in some future time.


Not to mention Alex Jones is garbage.
Posted by League Champs
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 10:55 pm to
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This conspiracy is pinned on the Clintons on the basis that this lawyer's client also did business with them.

I don't know about all the deep sinister stuff, but the firm clearly touted their association with the Clintons

This guy might have been the money bundler for the Qatar bigwigs. When their investment went poof, after being assured that it was in the bag, he might have known there was no going back to Qatar. So he chose to end it all in NYC.

. . . . Or he wouldn't go back to Qatar, and they had him ended in NYC. Either way its odd that an Arab & a Clinton connected guy takes a header this close to our govt unexpectantly changing hands
This post was edited on 3/3/17 at 11:10 pm
Posted by subotic
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 11:26 pm to
He was a board member for ICMEC. That is that trail to follow.
Posted by DuncanIdaho
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 11:32 pm to
Good lord! Maybe you should sit out the next series!
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 11:40 pm to
Broad strokes on my theory (HLI background needed to understand).

I am going to reference (links/images) this better one day, but I will give the broad strokes.



This image represents trinities, the breakdown of the bicameral mind and lost civilizations.

The 2 statues in the image of Easter Island idols (lost civilization) face one another and can be viewed as representing the left and right hemisphere of the brain. These appear linked at the level of the mouth (speech). They also can be viewed as 2 faces that oppose each other or a third face that can be formed by viewing 2 faces as 1 face (trinity). The building in the background of the image at the level of the mouth is the Cathedral Church of the Holy and Undivided Trinity of Ely

Speech, Communication and Trinity



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This gesture, in which his first two fingers and his thumb are extended and his third and fourth finger are closed, is among the most frequently occurring of Christ's hand gestures in Christian art. It emerged as a sign of benediction (or blessing) in early Christian and Byzantine art, and its use continued through the Medieval period, and into the Renaissance. The sign is most frequently seen in iconographic images of Christ, which appeared in churches in the Early Byzantine and Medieval periods in the form of mosaics, stained glass windows, relief sculptures, and paintings. One of the most common of such images is the Christ Pantocrator (or Christ Almighty), which depicts Christ, usually isolated against a golden background, with his head encircled by a halo, his left arm hugging the gospels to his chest and his right hand raised in the sign of benediction. It is important to note that this gesture is always made with the right hand, as this is the hand with which one blesses, according to Christian doctrine. The sign was originally derived from a symbol used in Roman art to indicate speaking, and first gained popularity as a Christian symbol shortly after Constantine's issue of the Edict of Milan in 313 AD, allowing Christians to practice their religion freely, without the threat of persecution. Indeed, Constantine himself converted to Christianity, and Christian art flourished. In early images of Christ, one can see an early manifestation of the sign of benediction in which the thumb is closed over the palm, rather than open. As Christian art evolved, symbols, including Christ's hand gestures, took on deeper significance. With the thumb opened, the three open digits came to represent the Trinity (The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit), while the two closed represented the dual nature of Christ as both man and God. When the Church split early in the second century AD, the symbol for blessing used by the two newly-formed churches likewise split. The Greek Orthodox church began to make use of a symbol derived from a common abbreviation of the Greek version of Christ's name. In this manifestation of the sign of blessing, the first finger is held erect, representing an 'I'; the second is bent in the shape of a 'C'; the thumb and third finger cross to form an 'X'; and the pinky, like the second finger, curves into a 'C'. Thus, the five digits together spell out "IC XC" an abbreviation of the Greek name of Jesus Christ, taken from the first and last letters of both parts of his name. The Roman Catholic Church, meanwhile, maintained the use of the three open digits and two closed (now so familiar to Westerners). The early sign, in which the thumb is closed, had by this time faded almost completely. With the onset of the Renaissance in Western Europe, the sign of benediction became less common in Christian art, due primarily to the shift away from iconographic images of Christ-as-Savior towards more naturalistic depictions, emphasizing the human in Christ over the God. Unlike the highly stylized, reverence-inspiring images of old, Renaissance art presented a more realistic image of Christ as he would have appeared to those who saw him in the flesh. He was more likely to be painted in the humiliation of betrayal, or the agony of death, than in the glory of Christ Pantocrator. Still, the gesture does occasionally appear; though void of the characteristic rigidity of earlier icons, it takes on a rather casual feel, more akin to a guy flashing a "peace" sign than to The Savior bestowing his blessing.


With that said:

There was a lost civilization that was destroyed by massive flood /cataclysm (Graham Hancock/Randall Carslon work) by an asteroid impact 12,800 years ago (Comet Research Group)



On the right side of the image above is a series of oval eggs and an out of place rock (farthest right). Above that rock is a "upside down" submerged person. Above that is the Great Pyrimiad (vestige of an ancient culture steeped in mystery)

Consciousness was lost and regained by humans (Julian Jaynes work)

Small subset of humans were endowed with this knowledge and were able to pass this knowledge down (mystery schools/families). These early humans became the ruling elites of society.

Jesus was a historically controversial figure because he was not "born" into this ruling elite, but attained consciousness none the less (virgin birth...) and was able to effectively accrue a following in part due to his masterful uses of metaphors. Religion was the vehicle at that time to pass down message to the masses.

The contemporary center of elites is London/Cambridge/Oxford (strangely enough this is where David Gilmour grew up and was educated (ditto for Bill Clinton as a Rhodes Scholar))

The more contemporary way to pass down messages to the masses would have been plays, music and now mass media. In Pink Floyd's time, the airwaves were arguably the most popular method of communication.

Title of songs on the Division Bell include:
-Take It Back
-Keep Talking
-High Hopes*

I would love to expand on the lyrics, but that will have to be at another time...

In my opinion, the answer to the riddle of Publius Enigma is that speech/communication/metaphors/human interactions have guided development of the human species. There are factions of people who are privy to passed down wisdom that few are ever made aware of (and how to manipulate this for good or evil purposes). I think Gilmour is trying to clue people into this mystery (and his intentions are good). More importantly, the album and Publius Enigma refer to collective knowledge / awakening. I view this as collective consciousness manipulated for good. This would fulfill the "2nd coming of Christ" prophecy. "Christ" refers to fully conscious individual for the betterment of mankind as a whole. The "anti-Christ" can be thought of as forces that suppress consciousness / growth of the person /species for nefarious purposes (see the post above about DSOM and cautions about life). Our society is massively distracted by things that in large part do not matter. Consumerism and technology conspire against us in their current forms (we are more connect via electronic media than ever, but in many ways are disconnected as humans). The elites control this very effectively (mass media)

It is my hope that all of the crazy events going on in this world signifies that we are closer to this transition. With "end times" prophecies signaling doom and gloom to most, it means a possible chance at a new beginning with unlimited potential to me.

Very broad (needs to be refined/expanded), but there it is

Iosh and Rakim will commit me now
This post was edited on 3/4/17 at 8:26 am
Posted by DuncanIdaho
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 11:45 pm to
Aren't those the two Houses of Parliament? The division bell has something to do with calling the houses to order? That's PF memory not history for me.
Posted by DuncanIdaho
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 11:47 pm to
And I've probably told you before but Pulse was my favorite album cover of all time. I have the original CD with the blinking LED light .
Posted by boomertoomer
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Posted on 3/4/17 at 6:48 am to
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When you are crazy, do you realize you are
this guy is far from being crazy !!! if people would just spend a little time looking into the facts, its really not difficult to understand what is/has been taking place.....the world is an evil place, filled with evil people who operate under the cover of a dumbed down population that can't see the forest for the trees due to a continual conditioning process.....no, this man ain't f'ing crazy....just because you're ignorant, doesn't make him crazy
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 3/4/17 at 8:04 am to
But...... the Russians.

Posted by bowelprojections
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Posted on 3/4/17 at 8:10 am to
Kinda a dick move to jump from a building. Never know who's gonna walk out underneath you and get squished. Plus, why make people look at your mess?
Posted by goldennugget
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Posted on 3/4/17 at 8:11 am to
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or being thrown.


Obvious answer
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lands on terrace in front of horrified joggers in the building's gym
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