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Question for Democrats concerning strategy
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:30 pm
Why did the party go all in on fringe groups and minorities at the expense of their northern Midwest working class base. I mean the blacks, gays, illegal immigrants, Moslems, transsexuals, environmental whackos etc. are going to vote dem 99% of the time no matter what. Why would you court these groups when there was zero reason to.
This post was edited on 2/28/17 at 8:36 pm
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:33 pm to Strannix
I'm not sure how many DNC strategists will respond but I would also like to know.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:34 pm to northshorebamaman
Trump says mean things.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:36 pm to Carville
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Trump says mean things.
Don't forget he he also told Billy bush he grabs pussys 10 years ago.
This post was edited on 2/28/17 at 8:37 pm
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:37 pm to Strannix
Obama was able to appeal to middle America. Hillary was just a terrible politician.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:41 pm to Strannix
They mistook obama's popularity as approval of his liberal policies, instead of realizing he got elected by being a likable charismatic black guy. (The exact opposite of hillary.)
And then he appointed far left nut jobs to just about every position he could,and that sped up the direction the dems were already heading.
And then he appointed far left nut jobs to just about every position he could,and that sped up the direction the dems were already heading.
This post was edited on 2/28/17 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:20 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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They mistook obama's popularity as approval of his liberal policies, instead of realizing he got elected by being a likable charismatic black guy. (The exact opposite of hillary.) And then he appointed far left nut jobs to just about every position he could,and that sped up the direction the dems were already heading.
They went from the mountaintop to a foundering regional party at best.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:29 pm to Strannix
Because they thought they could run up the score. Wanted to make it a blowout. Made assumptions about votes they didn't have.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:57 pm to northshorebamaman
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I'm not sure how many DNC strategists will respond but I would also like to know.
As a left of center person (I voted for Bernie), I'll give it a shot because I think this is one of the few posts on the Poli board where someone is actually looking for real discussion.
The Democratic Party is well aware that there are basically two groups of people who are reliable Democratic voters:
1. White people with a bachelor's degree or higher who live in urban settings and care about social issues such as abortion, gay rights, etc.
2. Minority voters who see the GOP as a white nationalist party that is either consciously trying to damage minority communities or just completely uncaring about whether its policies have that effect.
There are lot of Millenials who also lean left due to social issues but they aren't reliable voters, especially in midterms.
The big problem is that there are very few reasons for any white people who don't care about social issues and/or don't believe that government programs can improve their lives to vote Democrat. Many of those people are older, and older people are the most reliable group of voters in all elections.
America is facing very real problems resulting from globalization. Our labor is so expensive that our workers are going to be losers in a truly global labor market due to lower costs and increasingly skilled workers in other nations. The Democratic leadership doesn't offer solutions to these problems for a couple of reasons. First, their reliable voters (educated whites and minorities reacting to real or perceived GOP racism) aren't very engaged by these issues. Second, the big donors that set the agenda for the party don't care about these issues because they've profited handsomely from globalization. Bernie Sanders tried to address these issues from a class perspective, but he lost in the primaries. Hillary Clinton is not only a terrible politician with a ton of skeletons in her closet, but she had no convincing reason that rural or working class whites unmotivated by social issues should vote for her that didn't include the words "Supreme Court justices."
The populist wing of the GOP offers solutions to the problems of globalization (build a wall, tax imports, kick out immigrants). I disagree with these proposals, but they are targeted directly at working class white voters who could realistically see themselves voting for either party. The DNC wing of the Democrats aren't addressing these concerns, the populist wing of the GOP is. This is particularly helpful in controlling the Senate and gubernatorial elections, because there are a lot of rural, low population states that skew heavily white and working class.
The sad thing (from my perspective as a Democratic voter) is that I don't think that the people who really run the party have learned anything from the 2016 election. This is the same group of people who replaced Debbie Wasserman-Schulz with Donna Brazile. The Democrats are going to have to come up with some believable solution to the problems that globalization is causing the working class and do a much better job of convincing white voters that government programs other than SS and Medicare can actually improve their lives. They're going to be in trouble as long as their presidential candidates have histories of being paid speakers at Goldman-Sachs conventions. I wish Bernie was ten or twenty years younger so that he could conceivably run in the next cycle, but it is what it is.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 10:03 pm to Strannix
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Why did the party go all in on fringe groups and minorities at the expense of their northern Midwest working class base. I mean the blacks, gays, illegal immigrants, Moslems, transsexuals, environmental whackos etc. are going to vote dem 99% of the time no matter what.
Labor is typically been a reliable base from a turnout standpoint and the knew this election would come down to a very small percentage of voters, so they had to focus on those that typically don't turn out as well. Basically the same reason Trump didn't steer too far away from right fringe elements. It was a complete miss from a data research perspective.
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