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Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:44 am to Damone
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You can be glad he's gone and still be leery of the motives and means behind the leak of the information leading to his departure.
You can also be leery of motives and process, and still not rush to cry foul about an effort to torpedo somebody who probably needed to go.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:44 am to Doc Fenton
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So you're a fan of Eli Lake articles now? Hahaha...awesome!
No I'm not.
I just applaud him for seeing the bigger picture here as there are so called public servants of the executive branch attacking a duly elected and legitimate administration that's trying to carry out the people's business and it's toxifying the political climate.
It's a domestic threat.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:44 am to Spindicus Lofrus
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violate the Logan Act.
He didnt violate the logan act dumbass.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:45 am to Sentrius
quote:But if it's a smear, do you think Trump is going to capitulate?
It's pretty clear now that the Trump Admin can't trust the IC and will have to take extra security precautions in everything they do including interaction with them.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:45 am to Sentrius
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No I'm not.
Dammit. :(
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:45 am to Doc Fenton
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You can also be leery of motives and process, and still not rush to cry foul about an effort to torpedo somebody who probably needed to go.
What makes you think they won't stop at Flynn?
Traitors are like serial killers, they don't stop at one.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:47 am to imjustafatkid
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If the Trump Administration was told about this a long time ago, but is only dumping Flynn now, there is definitely more to this.
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Would still be nothing
You don't even know what it is and you're already ready to sweep it under the rug. How do Trump's boots taste?
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:49 am to Sentrius
quote:So you're absolutely certain that this was purely a politically motivated, possibly traitorous, attack on Flynn?
What makes you think they won't stop at Flynn?
Traitors are like serial killers, they don't stop at one.
And Trump is now going to just let it happen, completely counter to everything we've seen to this point?
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:49 am to buckeye_vol
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But if it's a smear, do you think Trump is going to capitulate?
We have no way of knowing of what's going on behind the scenes but if Trump is not making any public comments about Flynn or even tweeting about it, it's probably because he's in absolute bind and he had absolutely no choice whatsoever.
Trump is a businessman and he understands when exactly who has leverage.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:50 am to Sentrius
I'm going to wait until more information about this story becomes public before making my final judgments.
We already knew Flynn was a hotdog loose cannon though. Sometimes Flynn seemed awesome (he did put Iran on notice), but I never trusted this guy's temperament. Everything I've read about him paints him as being erratic and having poor judgment. On the surface, however, the fact that Trump dumped him tells me that this is a legitimate matter of national concern. This is not just some a-hole like Edward Snowden leaking data to harm U.S. operations.
We already knew Flynn was a hotdog loose cannon though. Sometimes Flynn seemed awesome (he did put Iran on notice), but I never trusted this guy's temperament. Everything I've read about him paints him as being erratic and having poor judgment. On the surface, however, the fact that Trump dumped him tells me that this is a legitimate matter of national concern. This is not just some a-hole like Edward Snowden leaking data to harm U.S. operations.
This post was edited on 2/14/17 at 11:52 am
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:51 am to Sentrius
Getting rid of the Deep State Pedo-Satanists was never going to be easy...
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:51 am to Adam Banks
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He didnt violate the logan act dumbass.
Hmmmm.....
LINK
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........makes it a felony, punishable by a fine or imprisonment of up to three years, if an American citizen, without government authorization, interacts “with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States.”
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:52 am to Sentrius
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Flynn resignation shines light on the deep state and attacks on Trump Admin
The larger issue here is the entrenched deep state and bureaucracy that's doing everything they can do to undermine a legitimate elected government.
Paging NavyTiger, come in NavyTiger, do you read me?
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:52 am to buckeye_vol
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So you're absolutely certain that this was purely a politically motivated, possibly traitorous, attack on Flynn?
Certain? No.
That's the thing about situations involving spooks, you don't know what's real and what's not.
But the signs point that way.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:52 am to Spindicus Lofrus
So will Flynn be the second person in history to be indicted under the Logan Act, which is itself likely unconstitutional?
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:55 am to Sentrius
This is a worrying fact, but we also can't ignore the importance of WikiLeaks in making leaks the "norm." See also Edward Snowden and Bradley Manning.
Part of it is national identity being subsumed beneath political identity.
Part of it is national identity being subsumed beneath political identity.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:55 am to Spindicus Lofrus
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Hmmmm.....
LINK
It's why we need to see the full conversation between Flynn and the ambassador.
Context is important and if he just simply said that President-Elect Trump will be taking office soon and will be evaluating the sanctions and giving them appropriate due diligence and come to a reasonable decision in an appropriate amount of time.
That kind of speak is neither improper nor illegal and certainly not worth the witchhunt that's playing out right now.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:56 am to Sentrius
quote:Yet, you're this hasn't stopped you from make such strong conclusions, as if you did know.
We have no way of knowing of what's going on behind the scenes
quote:Yes, and maybe he's in a bind because of Flynn, not because of traitorous behavior from the IC.
but if Trump is not making any public comments about Flynn or even tweeting about it, it's probably because he's in absolute bind and he had absolutely no choice whatsoever.
It's possible that the IC wanted Flynn out, and they Flynn accomplished this on his own accord.
quote:And maybe they leverage is result of Flynn's own behavior.
Trump is a businessman and he understands when exactly who has leverage.
I mean you can't have concerns about the IC and their nefarious motivation, and still acknowledge that Flynn erred on his own, even if the IC didn't have those motives. It's just like crooked cops catching the actual criminals. It doesn't make them any less crooked, but that doesn't make the criminals any less of a criminal either.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:59 am to buckeye_vol
You're combining multiple issues into one.
There is an issue as to the nature and extent of Flynn's communications with Russia. There is an issue as to the nature and extent of the US intelligence's intercepting of communications of private citizens. There is an issue as to the potential use of said intercepts by intelligence agencies to blackmail individuals.
There is an issue as to the nature and extent of Flynn's communications with Russia. There is an issue as to the nature and extent of the US intelligence's intercepting of communications of private citizens. There is an issue as to the potential use of said intercepts by intelligence agencies to blackmail individuals.
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