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Flynn resignation shines light on the deep state and attacks on Trump Admin

Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:33 am
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:33 am
This is a good bloomberg column about what really happened and the leaks that has been coming out of DC. Mind you, the author of this piece is by no means a Trump fan and actually says there still are questions that need to be answered about Team Trump and russia but the larger issue here is the entrenched deep state and bureaucracy that's doing everything they can do to undermine a legitimate elected government.

This is a fair point to follow.....

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There is another component to this story as well -- as Trump himself just tweeted. It's very rare that reporters are ever told about government-monitored communications of U.S. citizens, let alone senior U.S. officials. The last story like this to hit Washington was in 2009 when Jeff Stein, then of CQ, reported on intercepted phone calls between a senior Aipac lobbyist and Jane Harman, who at the time was a Democratic member of Congress.

Normally intercepts of U.S. officials and citizens are some of the most tightly held government secrets. This is for good reason. Selectively disclosing details of private conversations monitored by the FBI or NSA gives the permanent state the power to destroy reputations from the cloak of anonymity. This is what police states do.


There's a pattern here....

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Representative Devin Nunes, the Republican chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, told me Monday that he saw the leaks about Flynn's conversations with Kislyak as part of a pattern. "There does appear to be a well orchestrated effort to attack Flynn and others in the administration," he said. "From the leaking of phone calls between the president and foreign leaders to what appears to be high-level FISA Court information, to the leaking of American citizens being denied security clearances, it looks like a pattern."

Nunes said he was going to bring this up with the FBI, and ask the agency to investigate the leak and find out whether Flynn himself is a target of a law enforcement investigation. The Washington Post reported last month that Flynn was not the target of an FBI probe.



Possible Motives for targeting Flynn....

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Flynn was a fat target for the national security state. He has cultivated a reputation as a reformer and a fierce critic of the intelligence community leaders he once served with when he was the director the Defense Intelligence Agency under President Barack Obama. Flynn was working to reform the intelligence-industrial complex, something that threatened the bureaucratic prerogatives of his rivals.

He was also a fat target for Democrats. Remember Flynn's breakout national moment last summer was when he joined the crowd at the Republican National Convention from the dais calling for Hillary Clinton to be jailed.


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With all that said, we need to see the full transcript of the conversation he had with the Russian ambassador as leakers and possibly media are cherry picking it.
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
32784 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:33 am to
This wasn't Flynn's first run-in with the spooks. Clapper had his hands all over Flynn's dismissal from the Obama administration.
Posted by goldennugget
Hating Masks
Member since Jul 2013
24514 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:34 am to
It's clear he was set up by Obama administration black hats like Clapper and Yates
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:36 am to
So you're a fan of Eli Lake articles now? Hahaha...awesome!

P.S. -- I like Eli, but I disagree with him here. I'm glad Flynn is gone.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118819 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:36 am to
There are a lot of bad guys in the IC against Trump and against American interest. And there is not a person that reflects that anti-Americanism more than John McCain.
Posted by montanagator
Member since Jun 2015
16957 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:36 am to
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the permanent state the power to destroy reputations from the cloak of anonymity. This is what police states do.



You mean like the FBI breaking protocol to alter the outcome of a Presidential election?

Yeah, that would seem improper.
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
37527 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:36 am to
Is it true his contact was in December. Then once Trump found out about his lie he fired him?

Why the frick is this even news?
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:37 am to
The Swamp is full of treacherous creatures. And that drain is way out in the middle of it.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50503 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:38 am to
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So you're a fan of Eli Lake articles now? Hahaha...awesome!


Most people are capable of agreeing with folks they disagree with when they make a sound argument.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
79692 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:38 am to
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You mean like the FBI breaking protocol to alter the outcome of a Presidential election?


The bitch is a criminal. A criminal that YOU supported.

Get over it.
Posted by Malik Agar
Member since Nov 2012
12076 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:38 am to
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You mean like the FBI breaking protocol to alter the outcome of a Presidential election?

Melt bitch
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:38 am to
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Why the frick is this even news?


I'd guess that we don't really know the full story yet.

If the Trump Administration was told about this a long time ago, but is only dumping Flynn now, there is definitely more to this.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35239 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:39 am to
If it was a pure smear job from the Obama administration and intelligence community, why wouldn't Trump do what he always does, and fight back?

Trump is often loyal to a fault, and relishes a challenge from the establishment, so not fighting back wouldn't make sense, unless there was good reason not to.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50503 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:39 am to
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If the Trump Administration was told about this a long time ago, but is only dumping Flynn now, there is definitely more to this.


Would still be nothing.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
31893 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:40 am to
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Normally intercepts of U.S. officials and citizens are some of the most tightly held government secrets. This is for good reason. Selectively disclosing details of private conversations monitored by the FBI or NSA gives the permanent state the power to destroy reputations from the cloak of anonymity. This is what police states do.




As Trump said earlier-Thats what Nazi Germany used to do.

Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
32784 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:40 am to
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I like Eli, but I disagree with him here. I'm glad Flynn is gone.

You can be glad he's gone and still be leery of the motives and means behind the leak of the information leading to his departure. People were up in arms that Trump could possibly be blackmailed by Russians, yet here we have a National Security adviser essentially blackmailed and forced out by American spooks.
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:41 am to
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This wasn't Flynn's first run-in with the spooks. Clapper had his hands all over Flynn's dismissal from the Obama administration.



It's pretty clear now that the Trump Admin can't trust the IC and will have to take extra security precautions in everything they do including interaction with them.

Hell, even their own political appointees that are establishment approved aren't completely safe either.
Posted by Spindicus Lofrus
Member since Oct 2014
814 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:41 am to
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It's clear he was set up by Obama administration black hats like Clapper and Yates


They were all sitting around, twisting their mustaches, just waiting for Flynn to call a Russian and violate the Logan Act....right?

Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35239 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:42 am to
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Why the frick is this even news?
Because a senior aide resigning under controversial circumstances less than a month after being sworn in is extremely newsworthy, especially given that he put the VP in a uniquely precarious situation.

This is "real" news for a change, and now you're complaining about it?
Posted by Spindicus Lofrus
Member since Oct 2014
814 posts
Posted on 2/14/17 at 11:42 am to
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It's pretty clear now that the Trump Admin can't trust the IC and will have to take extra security precautions in everything they do including interaction with them.


This was the action of a Patriot who:

1. Knew that a law was broken
2. Knew that Trump and his team was actively covering it up
3. Is terrified of how Trump is in bed with an evil regime
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