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re: Tom Brady - Five Rings
Posted on 2/14/17 at 3:11 pm to Knight of Old
Posted on 2/14/17 at 3:11 pm to Knight of Old
No by simpleton arguments, i mean someone who keeps posting pics of his man crush and can't form an argument beyond RINGS!!!!! That you mis-characterize most of the arguments in your comment shows you don't really understand it (for starters, I've never mentioned "cheating", the only person that has is a Tennessee fan).
It does and should it also remember great players. Dan Marino will be remember longer than Trent Dilfer. But Peyton and Eli Manning are also champions as are Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers, so I don't understand your point here. No one is disputing Brady's greatness just the idiocy of shouting RINGS!!! Brady played on great teams that overall had better defenses than the teams that P Manning, Brees and Rodgers played on, that is also a fact.
possible, but not likely, Brees, who is also still active, playing at a high level and 2 years younger is ahead of him in many.
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History remembers champions
It does and should it also remember great players. Dan Marino will be remember longer than Trent Dilfer. But Peyton and Eli Manning are also champions as are Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers, so I don't understand your point here. No one is disputing Brady's greatness just the idiocy of shouting RINGS!!! Brady played on great teams that overall had better defenses than the teams that P Manning, Brees and Rodgers played on, that is also a fact.
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Tom Brady, it just so happens, will retire with the vast majority of position-related record
possible, but not likely, Brees, who is also still active, playing at a high level and 2 years younger is ahead of him in many.
This post was edited on 2/14/17 at 3:33 pm
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Posted on 2/14/17 at 3:18 pm to Knight of Old
quote:THat dude thinks that Eli is better than Marino, Rodgers, and Brees.
History remembers champions. The champion that is Tom Brady, it just so happens, will retire with the vast majority of position-related records. And championships. These are the facts.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 3:57 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Belichick wins in the playoffs. Brady just sits in the passenger seat. That's a fact.
How can this be? Belichick's pre-Brady career as a head coach was dismal, 1 Winning - 6 Losing seasons and Pats were 5-11 in 2000 under Belichick. Pats started 0-2 in 2001... until... Brady started his first game. 2001 Super Bowl season was credited to Brady's extraordinary first year as a starter with a losing team, not Belichick. and I'd love to know exactly what Belichick did to change the Pats fate in the second half of 2017 super bowl....
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He never won one without Brady....
Yes he did. In 2001
WRONG!
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actually he won 2 without Brady, 1986 and 1990 as DC of the Giants.
Do you realize how many assistant coaches have "won" the Super Bowl?... probably 500 or more, this is proof of nothing.
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Looks like another thread where Brady lovers start getting their nuts kicked in
Brady isn't in my top 3 fave QB's but I'll give credit where obviously due. The large majority of players, coaches, and sportwriters agree who is the best.
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its fun to play around when the fact never changes.. caught cheating. Forever tied to that. No matter what.
Cheating?? are you SURE about that or that it had any bearing on a game? The ball came in to question on one play. Supposedly, Colt's D'quell Jackson noticed the ball seemed underinflated on a pick early in the game (he later denied he said that). Even though no solid proof of what happened was ever determined, this is the result.. Pats scored 17 points in 1st half, "supposedly" with the "underinflated" ball... then... the Pats game ball was closely monitored by officials for the 2nd half and WAS CORRECTLY INFLATED... the Pats "only" scored 28 MORE points with the "legit" ball, destroying Colts 45-7. It's a pretty big stretch to make an issue out of something that wreaks of politics that had no bearing on a game. An MIT professor and an Boston U. prof. both said a deflation of 1.5 lbs. would easily explained by the outside temperature. It's league procedure that both teams balls are checked by officials right before bringing into play, the Pats FB's were correct right before brought to the field.. The only possible way they could have been tampered with was "explained" by the league with an inexplicable security camera video showing the fellow responsible for the balls entered the restroom on the way to the field... for 89 seconds.... and supposedly deflated the 11 "low" footballs 1.5 lbs. each in that time...just over 7 seconds per ball!! That guy should be making big bucks in a NASCAR pit crew.
And this is Brady cheating?? bottom line.. If no Brady... no Pats... no story.... no nothing...
Even one of the Colts, I think it was TE Dwayne Allen that said something like the ball not even an issue in the playoff loss, just an excuse to deflect the Pats completely manhandled them.
It's even more than desperate to try to use one "questionable", moot-point play with a very dubious 89 seconds of evidence to discredit an extraordinary lifetime career.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 3:59 pm to TurkeysAndBees
quote:Brady threw for 1td and 1 int in the entirety of the 2001 playoffs
WRONG!
He won it without Brady
Posted on 2/14/17 at 4:02 pm to TurkeysAndBees
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Cheating?? are you SURE about that or that it had any bearing on a game?
not reading a book... so i stopped here.
Obviously someone thought that it made enough difference in the game if they figured they needed to deflate balls.
And lets not act like this was a one time thing. The patriots have been busted cheating before and lost picks because of it.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 4:05 pm to TurkeysAndBees
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. 2001 Super Bowl season was credited to Brady's extraordinary first year as a starter with a losing team, not Belichick
you mean a narrative was created by the media? Go look at his numbers for that year, there is nothing "extraordinary" about him that year. It was just a great story because of where he was drafted.
The only "extraordinary" thing was the luck of having clear fumble ruled an incomplete pass and a kicker making some amazing kicks.
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Do you realize how many assistant coaches have "won" the Super Bowl?... probably 500 or more, this is proof of nothing.
I'm not sure what the # of assistants that have won the SB has anything to do with the price of tea in China or how it changes the fact that BB won 2 SB with the Giants with out Tom Brady
And BB was the defensive coordinator, I would guess there are around 40-45 or so DC's that have won the SB This post was edited on 2/14/17 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 2/14/17 at 4:08 pm to TurkeysAndBees
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2001 Super Bowl season was credited to Brady's extraordinary first year as a starter with a losing team, not Belichick
Bradys per game stats in 2001
64%----189 yds/g-----1.2tds/g-------0.8int/g-----86.5 rating
What an extraordinary year
This post was edited on 2/14/17 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 2/14/17 at 5:19 pm to lsupride87
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Brady threw for 1td and 1 int in the entirety of the 2001 playoffs
The Patriots don't beat the Raiders in the divisional round without Tom Brady's air mail attack. He completed 32 passes in that game for over 300 yards. And he drove his team down the field for the game-winning field goal.
And he was Super Bowl XXXVI's MVP despite the fact he threw for less than 200 yards. Practically everyone in the media, including John Madden, were calling for the Patriots to just take a knee and take the game into OT. Brady instead dropped back and slung the ball all over the field to get his team into field goal range. Once again...the Patriots don't win that game without Brady's gutsy 4th quarter performance.
Plus there's the simple fact that the Patriots started 0-2 in 2001, after going 5-11 the previous year. When Brady took over the reigns they finished the season 11-3.
So no....he didn't win it without Brady.
This post was edited on 2/14/17 at 5:24 pm
Posted on 2/14/17 at 5:24 pm to RollTide1987
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Your fan base has one of the lowest football IQs in the entire SEC.
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Alabama Fan
Posted on 2/14/17 at 5:48 pm to RollTide1987
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The Patriots don't beat the Raiders in the divisional round without Tom Brady's air mail attack. He completed 32 passes in that game for over 300 yards. And he drove his team down the field for the game-winning field goal.
And he was Super Bowl XXXVI's MVP despite the fact he threw for less than 200 yards. Practically everyone in the media, including John Madden, were calling for the Patriots to just take a knee and take the game into OT. Brady instead dropped back and slung the ball all over the field to get his team into field goal range. Once again...the Patriots don't win that game without Brady's gutsy 4th quarter performance.
Jesus, to you have his picture on the wall of your bedroom and blow kisses to every night Vs the Raiders, Bardy thru a pick and fumbled when sacked by Charles Woodson and fumble that was ruled an incomplete pass a rule so ridiculous it has since be changed and lets not give any credit to the dude that made not 1 but 2 FG is driving snow. I bet your loverboy would give AV the credit he deserves. Think Scott Norwood makes those kicks? Maybe he does becaue "intangibles"
In the SB the game was tie when Brady went 50 yards to again set up the real hero of the 2001-02 playoffs to make a 48 yard FG, hardly a chip shot. Of course the game was tied because Ty Law (who should have been MVP, please note he went to the same school as Brady) had a pick 6 to go with 7 tackles. With out that pick 6 the score would have been tied 10-10 instead of 17-10 NE with 1:38 to go and the Rams have the ball, first and 10 at the NE 26. Do they throw to Ricky Proehl on 1st and 10 for a 26 yds TD? Normally I'd say no, but since Brady's "intangibles" forced Pete Carroll and Dan Quinn to throw when they should have run, I guess it is possible. But that would have made the score 17-10 Rams meaning Brady would have to go another 30 yards just to tie without Ty Law.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 9:20 am
Posted on 2/14/17 at 5:52 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Vs the Raiders, Bardy thru a pick and fumbled when sacked by Charles Woodson and fumble that was ruled an incomplete pass a rule so ridiculous it has since be changed
I agree THAT was A fumble.... BUT it was ruled that it wasn't... And the rest speaks for itself........
Posted on 2/14/17 at 5:55 pm to dukke v
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And the rest speaks for itself....
by the rest do you mean they don't win with out Vinateri making those kicks vs the Raiders and the Rams? Of that they don't win with out Ty Law's pick 6? and lets not forget Troy Brown's punt return for a TD and Drew Bledsoe's TD pass vs Pittsburgh
Posted on 2/14/17 at 5:56 pm to H-Town Tiger
You seem to be in denial.
Bow before the alter of #12.
Genuflect.
Bow before the alter of #12.
Genuflect.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 6:09 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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You seem to be in denial.
of what? That it is a team game? And when you win close games, lots of people have to make plays? Nope, not in denial about that.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 6:12 pm to H-Town Tiger
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H-Town Tiger
OK... Brady SUCKS... you feel better now?????
Posted on 2/14/17 at 6:13 pm to dukke v
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OK... Brady SUCKS... you feel better now?????
You read good
Posted on 2/14/17 at 6:14 pm to H-Town Tiger
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of what? That it is a team game?
Of Brady's GOAThood.
No one ever said it wasn't a team game.
Now is the time for introspection and genuflection.
Join us
Posted on 2/14/17 at 6:14 pm to RollTide1987
quote:And then he averaged 130 yards passing the next 2 games.
The Patriots don't beat the Raiders in the divisional round without Tom Brady's air mail attack. He completed 32 passes in that game for over 300 yards. And he drove his team down the field for the game-winning field goal.
Again, if you're taking away Peyton's last title, it's totally biased to not do the same for Brady, and you know that.
quote:His QB rating was basically Jay Cutler, stop with acting like he was the reason it turned around.
Plus there's the simple fact that the Patriots started 0-2 in 2001, after going 5-11 the previous year. When Brady took over the reigns they finished the season 11-3.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 6:16 pm to TbirdSpur2010
quote:That's really not even being argued now by most.
Of Brady's GOAThood.
quote:That's exactly what RollTide is arguing if you've seen all of his posts.
No one ever said it wasn't a team game.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 6:17 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Dumbasses in denial, hell even Wayne and Dallas Clark have gave up the ghost.
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