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re: Can anyone logically defend the 21 drinking age law?

Posted on 2/11/17 at 2:01 pm to
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 2/11/17 at 2:01 pm to
There is no way to prove causation.

That was a time period of automobile safety innovation, seatbelt laws and DWI awareness campaigns.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
27367 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 2:09 pm to
In the Afghan and Iraq wars soldiers 18-21 made up 1,325 of the deaths. This is 28.2 percent of the deaths and the largest percentage of any age group.

I could gather from this that soldiers that age are too young and inexperienced to go to war.

The Cost of War
This post was edited on 2/11/17 at 2:12 pm
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27323 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 2:09 pm to
quote:

There is no way to prove causation.


it clearly states it in the study.It doesn't fir your narrative so therefore you can't prove it.

Show me a study that backs up your narrative.You've just been shown 2 that refute your arguement.
Posted by Dick Leverage
In The HizHouse
Member since Nov 2013
9000 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 2:13 pm to
Oh, okay. So am I.(47)

I have 4 kids age 17 to 6 and the drinking age is just a statute I don't want changed . I can't fathom why it would bother anyone our age unless they were dating an 18-20 year old and are pissed they can't legally give them alchohol.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 2:14 pm to
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it clearly states it in the study.It doesn't fir your narrative so therefore you can't prove it.


The study is irrelevant.

Raising the age to 40 would reduce deaths too.

Changing all highway speed limits to 35mph would reduce deaths.

Single variable thinking is stupid
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
27367 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 2:15 pm to
You can't "state" causation. You can only assume it.

I can state two facts and draw a correlation between the two, but that doesn't prove they are actually related.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20982 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 2:15 pm to
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Keep whining junior. The world ain't gonna end becuase you can't legally drink. It dang sure isnt stopping you from smoking weed or doing your shrooms. I'm sure the law isn't stopping you from your Justin Beiber kegger party either.


Want to know who has the most to lose from weed being legalized or the drinking age lowered?

LEO

It's not about public safety and never has been. All about keeping that cash flow coming in and using the law against people LEO don't like.

I can see why someone in LEO would be very afraid.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
27367 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 2:18 pm to
Maybe because I am for personal rights and freedoms for adults in this country and against the nanny state.

But you keep counting on the government to raise your kids for you.

I educated mine on alcohol use and abuse and have never had a single issue.
Posted by Dick Leverage
In The HizHouse
Member since Nov 2013
9000 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 4:01 pm to
Cool. My kids, particularly the oldest who is Valedictorian this year and has been offered several top tier academic scholarships, are not even into alcohol.

As a result, this big issue that you find yourself at odds with is a non issue for me. It is only discussed when an adult that they know or know of has their life turned upside down because of drugs/alchohol.

I don't need the government to tell my kids common sense. They just follow mine and my wife's example.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
65108 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 4:11 pm to
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It may be beside the point, but are there any statistics that show raising the drinking age has helped in any way?

For example, when Louisiana raised the drinking age from 18 to 21, was there a decrease in alcohol-related incidents or deaths?


This is from the CDC. Take it however you want....

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Fewer motor vehicle crashes - States that increased the legal drinking age to 21 saw a 16% median decline in motor vehicle crashes


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After all states adopted an age 21 MLDA, drinking during the previous month among persons aged 18 to 20 years declined from 59% in 1985 to 40% in 1991


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Drinking among people aged 21 to 25 also declined significantly when states adopted the age 21 MLDA, from 70% in 1985 to 56% in 1991


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Fewer high school dropouts - Students in states that had a MLDA of 18 had a 13 times greater chance of dropping out of high school compared to states with an MLDA of 21


CDC Fact Sheet
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 4:18 pm to
I'll repeat. The fewer crashes argument is IRRELEVANT to the question.

There would be fewer crashes if we raised the age to 30. Fewer still if raised to 40.

Fewer if we made 25 the legal age to drive.

Fewer if we set highway speed limits at 30mph.

The fact we don't do those things is because there ate OTHER FACTORS that matter
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
35578 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 4:37 pm to
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t. I also cannot justify the criminalization of Marijuana and prostitution

Like Carlin said, selling is legal. fricking is legal. Why isn't selling fricking legal?
Posted by TimeOutdoors
AK
Member since Sep 2014
12129 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 4:38 pm to
I can. Turn on CNN or MSNBC and spend a few minutes watching the liberals protest. Now imagine them drunk. Mission accomplished.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
35199 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 4:40 pm to
I think the age of majority in the US should be 21 for everything...including military service. That's also including drinking, gambling, porn/adult entertainment, contracts, recreational marijuana consumption, driving(only 21 if job related...hazmat etc.), and voting. I would like to see a mandatory service provision for all US citizens prior to the age of 21. In short, you would have to volunteer your time with an approved national relief organization (Salvation Army, Habitat for Humanity, SPCA etc.), join the national guard, or pay a tax in order to skip service. We are not talking immense amounts of time. Additionally, those that do not participate in cannot receive government benefits EVER or run for public office (which should NEVER count as public service as described above). I realize the drinking and the weed will be hard to enforce, but at least it would make everything consistent. My thoughts on the national guard being from 18-21 is to limit the issues concerning our active duty personnel, to have a better trained and more mature military, and to give our states a larger national guard to assist with disasters at the state level. The buyout phase would be per year. You want to buy out one year, that's ten grand, two would be 100k, and all three would be a cool million. I wouldn't want these programs to interfere with advancing an education so the one weekend per month/plus two weeks consecutive weeks per year would apply. I figure if people have to put some elbow grease into making the country great they may think more highly of what we have. Just my .02.
Posted by zeebo
Hammond
Member since Jan 2008
5219 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 4:44 pm to
The real problem with the drinking age is that it kills people. If 18 yr olds can't legally drink they hide their drinking and swig whiskey to get their drunk on, then go to the party. You can't binge drink enough beer, at a keg party to die. The law of unintended consequences strikes again. Compare drinking deaths before and after the change.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
27367 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 4:54 pm to
And they do drugs, which are often easier to get.

Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27323 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 7:13 pm to
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It's not about public safety and never has been. All about keeping that cash flow coming in and using the law against people LEO don't like


Complete horseshite but stick with your dumbass libertarian talking points if it makes you feel better.

There have been 3 different post/studies that have shown the effects/causation of the 18 year old drinking age.
And not one has been refuted.



So if its ALL about LEO and cash flow,why was it lowered to 18 to begin with?

Why not lower the drinking age to 16?How bout 14?
This post was edited on 2/11/17 at 7:27 pm
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 7:23 pm to
It also creates some absurd situations. Since 21 is the drinking age, many (maybe all?) places also require a person to be 21 to serve alcohol. There is an exception to this, at least in some places, for "emancipated" minors. Here's the absurd result:

Emancipation is an action by which a person who is not an adult can be given the full powers of an adult to manage his own affairs, enter into contracts, etc. Since a person is an adult for all such purposes at the age of 18, emancipation is only available to people who are under 18, i.e. "minors".

So, a 14-year-old can become emancipated and be able to serve alcohol, but a 20-year-old can't.
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 7:41 pm to
All you have to do is look at the violent protestors and know the 21 isn't as mature as it once was. In fact, if weed is completely legalized, it should be for 21+
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