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re: The Dutch have a prison problem, too many empty cells
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:44 am to Saskwatch
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:44 am to Saskwatch
quote:well the conviction on their record sure doesn't help the job opportunity
Can be contributed to lack of job opportunity after conviction.
quote:well let's take some of that money used to house these guys and throw it at job training and education before the fact the population falls down the shite rabbit hole
However, a lot of the offenders didn't exactly have skills that relate to employment before being convicted.
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Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:44 am to Ed Osteen
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:45 am to Ed Osteen
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The Dutch have a prison problem, too many empty cells
Lavrentiy Pavlovich Beria, once head of Stalin’s secret police and was a right bastard. He told Stalin, “Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime"
They clearly need new laws to address the lack of criminals.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:45 am to SabiDojo
quote:whats wrong with that? Sounds like a good time to me
The United States: string bikinis, Tupac Shakur, and AR-15's.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:46 am to TheCaterpillar
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11% of their population was born in another country.
US is around 13%.
Aren't the Netherlands immigration policies based off of your ethnicity, not your nationality?
For the record, I'm not disagreeing with you. I think the US penal system is terrible. But to ignore the stark differences in education, family structure, geography, culture, and immigration policies when discussing prisons is just avoiding reality.
This post was edited on 2/10/17 at 10:48 am
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:46 am to SabiDojo
Why does that mean a percentage of our prison population can't be cut down through rehabilitation instead of felonies for non violent crimes? Obviously the countries are different but that doesn't mean trying more rehab instead of locking people up is a bad idea
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:46 am to SuperSaint
m'bruh 
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:46 am to Ed Osteen
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The Dutch have a prison problem, too many empty cells
Just Leagalize and regulate drugs already
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:48 am to TheCaterpillar
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work release programs and shite
We have those. The incarcerated tend to escape from them. Should we shackle them all together like a chain gang?
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:50 am to Breesus
Too often common sense is set aside to satisfy special interests ($$) and bureaucracy. We are too far gone.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:51 am to Ed Osteen
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Why does that mean a percentage of our prison population can't be cut down through rehabilitation instead of felonies for non violent crimes? Obviously the countries are different but that doesn't mean trying more rehab instead of locking people up is a bad idea
We do. We do have drug courts. But what can you do about repeat offenders? People who commit burglary for their habit? Identity theft? It's tough. There are changes to be made, but don't think courts don't have avenues for people who are nonviolent drug offenders.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:51 am to Saskwatch
quote:man work release programs in this state are a complete joke and nothing but a money grab by the sheriffs and their brother in laws...
We have those
Ever notice they are always right next door to the 'for profit' prisons and next door to a fab shop that employs the workers.... and all three owned by the same family? Complete joke and NOTHING about it is for helping out the prisoners
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:51 am to Ed Osteen
That's what happens with homogenous, white countries.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:52 am to Saskwatch
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We have those. The incarcerated tend to escape from them. Should we shackle them all together like a chain gang?
I seriously think you're just making shite up now
You have no clue what you're talking about.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:53 am to TheCaterpillar
I wasn't even going to try to argue against that one
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:56 am to Breesus
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Just Leagalize and regulate drugs already
Why do you hate the people these laws support?
Do you hate the kids that go to want to go to a drug free school?
Or the police that civil asset forfeiture supports and subsidizes? Why are you in favor of criminals keeping their belongings?
What about the lawyers and judges that spent $100k+ in legal education trying to make the world a more just place? Do you think they don't deserve some financial compensation for their efforts? Why are you trying to take work away from them?
Or the doctors, nurses, engineers, etc that perform supporting and consulting work for the prisons that house these criminals? Do they not deserve jobs either?
What about the bail bondsmen that support their families?
Finally what about the state government that relies on federal grants to enforce it's drug laws? Do you really want more taxes?
Relaxing drug laws will dramatically raise unemployment and crime among the decent hard working groups across the country.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:58 am to Golfer
Since that probably hasn't changed in the past 20 years along with their drop in crime, no.
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:58 am to Golfer
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Not to a homogeneous, educated, small population that has severe limitations on who and for how long guests can stay in their country?
This
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:58 am to NYNolaguy1
The fact that for profit prisons exist means there needs to be huge unemployment with them to overhaul our penal system
there is 0 incentive to change people when you get paid for more people breaking the law or repeating offenses
there is 0 incentive to change people when you get paid for more people breaking the law or repeating offenses
Posted on 2/10/17 at 10:59 am to SuperSaint
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man work release programs in this state are a complete joke and nothing but a money grab by the sheriffs and their brother in laws...
Ever notice they are always right next door to the 'for profit' prisons and next door to a fab shop that employs the workers.... and all three owned by the same family? Complete joke and NOTHING about it is for helping out the prisoners
It's this kind of shite that bothers me. Things like civil asset forfeiture, work release programs...heck even Drug Court and probation. The fees keep increasing. Law enforcement becomes a for-profit business.
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