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re: How Finland built the best education system in the world
Posted on 2/6/17 at 12:47 pm to Bench McElroy
Posted on 2/6/17 at 12:47 pm to Bench McElroy
1. Homogeneous students
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Posted on 2/6/17 at 12:49 pm to Bench McElroy
Posted on 2/6/17 at 12:49 pm to goldennugget
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The entire nation mostly being one race cant hurt
That must explain why Africa is so great at education.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 12:54 pm to Bench McElroy
SIAP...I can promise this all feeds to their success:
-no teacher unions to protect the bottom of the barrel.
-problem solving included in the curriculum. Not just traditional teaching from books.
-two parent households. Google this. the number will amaze you.
-vocational schooling available. college is NOT for everyone.
-How do they handle conduct problems? This I am sure is significantly different from what happens here.
-no teacher unions to protect the bottom of the barrel.
-problem solving included in the curriculum. Not just traditional teaching from books.
-two parent households. Google this. the number will amaze you.
-vocational schooling available. college is NOT for everyone.
-How do they handle conduct problems? This I am sure is significantly different from what happens here.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 12:54 pm to Asgard Device
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That must explain why Africa is so great at education.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 12:55 pm to Bench McElroy
We have parents who do not participate in the process.
We do not have enough vocational education.
We spend too much time on social studies.
We do not have equality in spending between schools.
Our schools are too segregated.
We do not have enough vocational education.
We spend too much time on social studies.
We do not have equality in spending between schools.
Our schools are too segregated.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 12:55 pm to Bench McElroy
This contradicts one of the most successful models in the USA, KIPP, which actually has longer than normal school days , Saturday classes and mandatory summer school lessons.
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Posted on 2/6/17 at 1:01 pm to Asgard Device
Lumping all africans together as one race is wrong just as saying the Swedes and French are the same cause they're white. Nigerians and Ethiopians are entirely different people. Europe works because everyone is broken down into sub groups. In Africa, lines were drawn without any consideration for the people who lived there.
This post was edited on 2/6/17 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 2/6/17 at 1:02 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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How would the education system in the U.S. rank worldwide if we removed all minorities from the statistics?
Probably not much different. People in this thread are conflating skin color with ethnicity, as if Ashkenazi Jews and Louisiana Cajuns have anything in common.
Removing black and brown people still leaves a whole lot of ethnically diverse whites. That isn't what you're seeing in countries like Finland.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 1:04 pm to cokebottleag
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Finnish kids also have MUCH higher two parent households, which is the single biggest predictor of children's success.
this
Posted on 2/6/17 at 1:05 pm to tigerite
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We have parents who do not participate in the process.
We do not have enough vocational education.
We spend too much time on social studies.
Yes.
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We do not have equality in spending between schools.
Our schools are too segregated.
No...just. No.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 1:05 pm to jmh5724
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Nigerians and Ethiopians are entirely different people.
Even in Nigeria alone you have hundreds of different ethnic groups.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 1:07 pm to Bench McElroy
Damn that sounds nice, it'd be a shame
if some refugees ruined it
if some refugees ruined it
Posted on 2/6/17 at 1:08 pm to Centinel
Schools with a homogeneous student base always perform well, regardless of race.
This post was edited on 2/6/17 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 2/6/17 at 1:10 pm to Bench McElroy
Scandinavians tend to do well in education outside Scandinavia too.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 1:10 pm to hendersonshands
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More freedom for teachers would be good if you were able to get rid of some of the tenure protections they get. I had old teachers growing up who completely checked up and just went to school to get more years toward their pension.
That's what happens when fedgov steps in to "fix things". Hell look at Obamacare as their latest great failure.
Why do Private schools outperform public schools? Because they set their own standards. The teaching is more geared to the students and not geared to the "requirements" setup by bureaucrats in DC. The Parent-Teacher relationship is much closer and easily attained, as opposed to that of public schools. Public schools is run by the government and acts as government, whereas complaints are taken, nothing is done, because they public officials have no one to answer to. At private schools, teachers answer to the parents.
I would say the solution to public education would be to raise teacher salaries substantially, but also raise the educational requirements to become a teacher. However, the real solution is to get the fed out of public education altogether, and leave it to the states to govern, if they wish. And in doing so, you can implement such things as i stated above.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 1:11 pm to BugAC
Good arguments against centralized standards, but bear in mind that private schools also pick their students in most cases.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 1:19 pm to chinhoyang
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Good arguments against centralized standards, but bear in mind that private schools also pick their students in most cases.
In most cases or some cases? Your ability to get into private school is usually dependent on your ability to afford the tuition, but more importantly, the education level of the student seeking application. Which brings up the #1 key factor of education, having parents that teach education as being a key component to success.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 1:41 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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I love to bash Europe as much as the next guy, but Finland isn't in NATO.
Yes. But my point was that many places are more able to spend elsewhere on defense while we foot the bill and police everything
Posted on 2/6/17 at 2:55 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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I love to bash Europe as much as the next guy, but Finland isn't in NATO
Not only that, but they were in a shooting war with Russia off and on for the first half of the 20th Century.
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