re: Is education in this country really all that bad?

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My point is that it takes time and we are only one generation removed from treating humans like animals

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you think a generation is 50 years long?

the people who had kids during the 60s have grandkids and great-grandkids

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Were Asians slaves in the United States? No.

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many Chinese working the railroads were essentially slaves

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Were Asians segregated nationwide? No.

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i said out West...and yes, yes they were

What I like about you man is you don't even pretend not to be racist. I prefer that believe it or not. You are honest and you are who you are. We can't be friends but at least you don't hide behind a fake smile.

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What I like about you man is you don't even pretend not to be racist

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It's called being truthful and accountable, but if you want to categorize me as being a racist, then go ahead.

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People of all races are capable of overcoming disadvantages. But folks born into middle class have an advantage over the poor.

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First generation immigrants coming from destitution which would make Chicago's Englewood look like the Hamptons overcome those disadvantages. That includes African immigrants.

Intergenerational poverty was a predictable consequence to LBJ's WOP. IP was publicly, eloquently and accurately identified as a probable social response to the WOP by D.P.Moynihan in 1965. At some point the left must own that.

If one identifies social class as tantamount to opportunity though, the obvious rhetorical corollary is to ask why? Is it a matter of money or is it a matter of attitude? (Hint: Again, first generation immigrants coming from destitution which would make Chicago's Englewood look like the Hamptons overcome monetary disadvantages. That includes African immigrants.) Is it a matter of aptitude, or is it a matter of approach? Is social class cemented in place intergenerationally, or is it fluid?

If opportunity is more a matter of attitude, approach, etc., a successful model would identify those aspects of extracurricular education successfully differentiating elevated groups, and incorporate them into general curriculum.

More of the same will not work.

My post was

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If what you consider "truthful" means that you look down on a particular race and/or harbor resentment towards them (which in your case you express quite openly) then I think the shoe fits. Based on your behavior, I would contend that you are likely neither surprised or upset by this characterization.

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and there your post was

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You've become so used to calling others racist, it appears you can no longer distinguish between racist views and views you don't agree with.

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and now I am since I clearly outlined the definition I was using and the person I was talking to didn't disagree.

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Are the parents involved? I have heard of Teacher-Parent nights where only a handful of parents showed up. What the hell are the teachers, the administrators and the politicians supposed to do if parents can't even show up for parent- teacher night? What kind of miracles can take place?

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It all boils down to personal and parental responsibility.

An individuals success or lack there of is due to his personal choices in life and their parents commitment to giving them the guidelines and expectations required of them.

A parent's responsibility is the proper rearing of their progeny.

These responsibilities include being involved in their education, social and moral upbringing.

I have 5 children plus I have been rearing two of my worthless brothers children.

My wife and I attend every event that relates to the children under our supervision, which includes at the very least, every school and social event.

The 3 oldest children which are mine have all received scholarships to college because we made it known to our children through actions, deeds, and expectations what was required of them.

The next two which are my brothers will both graduate High School and we have set up funds for them to continue their education. (We could not overcome all of the problems instilled in them through their worthless parents but neither will end up as a drain on society)

My two youngest will both receive scholarships. My 13 year old has just received a scholarship to attend college for 6 weeks this summer. She will go to one of the 16 Tip program Universities. She was invited and received the scholarship because she made a 30 on her ACT as a 7th grader.

My youngest is 10, but will probably get more opportunities than the other 6, simply because we have learned how to be better parents over the years. She reads on average 3 books a week and has developed a thirst for knowledge.
An example of this is when my second child, who is in med school, thought he would stump her over her desire to find something new to read. He handed her a book from our library that covered the Iran Contra Hearings. She informed him she had already read it and understood it's implications regarding Reagan's presidency.

We do not pressure our children to succeed, they succeed because it is the conscious framework and environment we created for our children. We instilled the importance of personal responsibility and taught our children the values they needed to be successful

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If I missed something, please feel free to point it out.

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You've missed months of interactions between us. That is about it. Based on this one isolated interaction you could say I jumped the gun. However, once someone *goes there* racially it has a way of painting the rest of your interactions. Even in this thread he said that blacks and Mexicans blame their schools for their problems. That doesn't like a racial generalization to you?

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The schools run on property taxes just like other districts.

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And here lies the main problem with many districts. Kids from the poor part of town get the shady because thier families are poor.

There is zero reason why all American school districts do not receive the same amount of funding.

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More of the same will not work.

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I don't disagree. However, I would contend that the statement "without blacks and Mexicans our schools would be fine" is a poor place to start this discussion. That is how this thread started. Don't ever lose context of the OP when replying to responses.