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re: Obama's advice to Trump: Don't use executive orders too much
Posted on 12/20/16 at 1:10 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Posted on 12/20/16 at 1:10 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:
I'm not. I'm merely showing that what Obama has done isn't substantively different from what previous presidents have done, yet for some reason he's being singled out.
Well clearly, it's because he's black. And no other reason than he is black. After all, that is why Trump won, right? Because he's white? And we're all racists because we voted for the white man instead of the white woma.....oh wait.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 1:11 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Every single Republican president who served more than one term since 1900 signed more EOs than Obama, yet I never heard any Republicans complaining about it until Obama.
That's because Obama's EOs ARE substantially different. Your assertion to the opposite is wrong. Your stupid link on Nixon Shock = 'nothing much happened.' That's why no one remembers Nixon Shock. I was an adult an paying attention long before Nixon and I don't remember anyone blaming the Carter disaster of an economy on 'Nixon Shock'. Do you recall that rejoinder in the 70s?
I'd be interested to know what news shows and newspapers you were reading back then.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 1:14 pm to Zach
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I'd be interested to know what news shows and newspapers you were reading back then.
None. And the only thing he knows of EO's is what he can find with a google search. Thus the reason he can't quickly explain the EO he supposedly had a big problem with in 74. He has to go back, and re-google that EO, and try to mish mush the words to make it sound like his own. Expect a bunch of poor grammar and incoherent babble.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 1:14 pm to Jbird
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nothing he does can be questioned
Why do you think nothing he does can be questioned?
That's dumb.
You should at least be against his antics in Libya and Syria.
I'm truly sorry that you can't seem to follow a logical argument. Obama hasn't abused the EOs any more than Republican presidents have since 1900. Admit that, and I might think you're not a barely functional retard.
quote:
he is the first black President
...And the first one to catch so much grief over the use of EOs. I just happen to think that's not a coincidence. I'm sorry if that exposes your bias.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 1:15 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
From 2014
By issuing his directives as "memoranda" rather than executive orders, Obama has downplayed the extent of his executive actions
President Obama has issued a form of executive action known as the presidential memorandum more often than any other president in history — using it to take unilateral action even as he has signed fewer executive orders.
When these two forms of directives are taken together, Obama is on track to take more high-level executive actions than any president since Harry Truman battled the "Do Nothing Congress" almost seven decades ago, according to a USA TODAY review of presidential documents.
He's used presidential memoranda to make policy on gun control, immigration and labor regulations. Tuesday, he used a memorandum to declare Bristol Bay, Alaska, off-limits to oil and gas exploration.
Obama has issued 195 executive orders as of Tuesday. Published alongside them in the Federal Register are 198 presidential memoranda — all of which carry the same legal force as executive orders.
LINK
By issuing his directives as "memoranda" rather than executive orders, Obama has downplayed the extent of his executive actions
President Obama has issued a form of executive action known as the presidential memorandum more often than any other president in history — using it to take unilateral action even as he has signed fewer executive orders.
When these two forms of directives are taken together, Obama is on track to take more high-level executive actions than any president since Harry Truman battled the "Do Nothing Congress" almost seven decades ago, according to a USA TODAY review of presidential documents.
He's used presidential memoranda to make policy on gun control, immigration and labor regulations. Tuesday, he used a memorandum to declare Bristol Bay, Alaska, off-limits to oil and gas exploration.
Obama has issued 195 executive orders as of Tuesday. Published alongside them in the Federal Register are 198 presidential memoranda — all of which carry the same legal force as executive orders.
LINK
Posted on 12/20/16 at 1:15 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
You have to be under 30. Or perhaps you were in a coma for a while.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 1:17 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
He's used presidential memoranda to make policy on gun control, immigration and labor regulations. Tuesday, he used a memorandum to declare Bristol Bay, Alaska, off-limits to oil and gas exploration.
Obama has issued 195 executive orders as of Tuesday. Published alongside them in the Federal Register are 198 presidential memoranda — all of which carry the same legal force as executive orders.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 1:21 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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And the first one to catch so much grief over the use of EOs. I just happen to think that's not a coincidence. I'm sorry if that exposes your bias
And also the first president to be in power through the true social media age. Yeah, social media was around under Bush. But not NEARLY as prevalent as today. And THAT, is the real reason you hear all the "dissent" against Obama using EOs.
I GUARANTEE you that had any of the previous Republican presidents you keep clamoring on about would have faced just as much backlash if not MORE if they were president today with social media.
Social media has given everyone a voice. And when everyone has a voice, the opinions come out of the woodwork.
And if you disagree with this than holy frick you truly are lost.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 1:22 pm to Zach
quote:
That's because Obama's EOs ARE substantially different. Your assertion to the opposite is wrong. Your stupid link on Nixon Shock = 'nothing much happened.' That's why no one remembers Nixon Shock. I was an adult an paying attention long before Nixon and I don't remember anyone blaming the Carter disaster of an economy on 'Nixon Shock'. Do you recall that rejoinder in the 70s?
Really? You don't think ending Bretton-Woods unilaterally through executive fiat was significant?
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I don't remember anyone blaming the Carter disaster of an economy on 'Nixon Shock'.
Of course you don't, that would run counter to the narrative that everything was rosy until Carter came along...
The 1973–75 recession or 1970s recession was a period of economic stagnation in much of the Western world during the 1970s, putting an end to the general post-World War II economic boom. It differed from many previous recessions as being a stagflation, where high unemployment coincided with high inflation.
Among the causes were the 1973 oil crisis and the fall of the Bretton Woods system after the Nixon Shock.[2] The emergence of newly industrialized countries increased competition in the metal industry, triggering a steel crisis, where industrial core areas in North America and Europe were forced to re-structure.[citation needed] The 1973–74 stock market crash made the recession evident.
The recession in the United States lasted from November 1973 (the Richard Nixon presidency) to March 1975 (the Gerald Ford presidency),[3] although its effects on the US were felt through the Jimmy Carter presidency until the mid-term of Ronald Reagan's first term as president, characterized by low economic growth. Although the economy was expanding from 1975 to the first recession of the early 1980s, which began in January 1980, inflation remained extremely high until the early years of the 1980s.
- wiki
Don't Zach up the thread, Zach.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 1:22 pm to PoundFoolish
quote:Not sure if serious. He hosted two of the first five WrestleManias and was in the main event of another. He's way more qualified to be in the WWEHOF than in the White House.
Other than being on one episode of Smackdown, what has the god emperor done to warrant Hall of Fame status as a wrestler?
quote:Take it as you will, but Trump would be smart to take this as a warning, even if witlessly delivered, not to overreach. Obama didn't help Hillary's chances in this year's election one bit.
you're an idiot if you think that hypocritical statements about abuse of power is "sound."
This post was edited on 12/20/16 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 12/20/16 at 1:25 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:
WildTchoupitoulas
how long did it take you to post and copy the relevant parts to that wiki page?
Keep pretending your an intellectual. Maybe someone will believe you.
Oh yeah, and you're racist.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 1:25 pm to beerJeep
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And also the first president to be in power through the true social media age blah, blah, Yeah, social media was around under Bush, blah, if they were president today with social media, blah, fricking blah, blah, blah, Social Media, blah, blah...
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And if you disagree with this than holy frick you truly are lost.
Kids today.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 1:26 pm to ballscaster
This post was edited on 12/20/16 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 12/20/16 at 1:27 pm to BugAC
The only reason you hear more dissent today is because of social media. Every Tom dick and Harry has a voice they didn't have even 10 years ago. The same reason the world is seen as more violent today, despite that being entirely false. You just see it more... Why? Social. Media.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 1:27 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Like his deported illegals numbers.
By issuing his directives as "memoranda" rather than executive orders, Obama has downplayed the extent of his executive actions.
By issuing his directives as "memoranda" rather than executive orders, Obama has downplayed the extent of his executive actions.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 1:29 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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You don't think ending Bretton-Woods unilaterally through executive fiat was significant?
No and your link = indeterminate.
quote:
Of course you don't, that would run counter to the narrative that everything was rosy until Carter came along...
The economy under Nixon was up and down but it was utopia compared to Carter.
There is nothing in Nixon EOs that could cause the massive interest rate increases and inflation we got with Carter.
Now, answer my question. When did you read about Nixon Shock used as an excuse for Carter during Carter's administration? The media was 100% behind Carter. They would have trumpeted it.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 1:29 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:
And also the first president to be in power through the true social media age blah, blah, Yeah, social media was around under Bush, blah, if they were president today with social media, blah, fricking blah, blah, blah, Social Media, blah, blah...
quote: And if you disagree with this than holy frick you truly are lost. Kids today.
So... Are you arguing that people today don't have more of a voice to voice their opinions in a way that will reach millions in mere seconds?
And are you saying that had this technology been around for the past 100 years, that there would have been no real dissent up until Obama?
Really?
Really?
Posted on 12/20/16 at 1:32 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Pot, meet kettle
Posted on 12/20/16 at 1:32 pm to BugAC
quote:
how long did it take you to post and copy the relevant parts to that wiki page?
Lets' see, Zach posted at 1:11, I had to laugh at Zach's post first, then I thought about whether or not to bother replying, then I posted at 1:22, so about 2 minutes.
At least I provided a link and didn't try to pass it off as my own writing.
But it sure blew Zach's post up.
quote:
Keep pretending your an intellectual
Is that what you think countering retarded statements with actual facts is?
Go ahead and look back through my posts and see that I'm not just blowing smoke like most, I'm providing numbers and information with my posts. hers' what you provided:
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Oh yeah, and you're racist.
Luckily no one will be confusing you with being an intellectual.
Hell, you're not even much of a scientist, I remember having to explain to you how experimentation fit into the Scientific method a few years back.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 1:35 pm to Zach
quote:
There is nothing in Nixon EOs that could cause the massive interest rate increases and inflation we got with Carter.
Oh, I get it, you don't even know what the frick Bretton-Woods was.
Idiot.
Weren't you the one who bragged that you didn't need to read History books, because you lived History through your subscription to Reader's Digest?
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