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Matt Canada's passing offenses have been absolutely terrible.
Posted on 12/11/16 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 12/11/16 at 11:05 pm
His passing offenses have historically been quite atrocious, and statistically, his offenses overall appear to be remarkably average.
I'm not sure where this board's love affair with Canada came from, but I'm not a fan. For the past 5 years, he hasn't fielded an offense that ranked in the top 40 for total offense, nor has he fielded a passing offense that ranked higher than 70th.
Review the following statistics and tell me what warrants making this guy the highest paid offensive coordinator in the country.
2012 – OC/QB coach at Wisconsin
Total offense - 65th – 393 yds/game
Passing offense – 108th – 156.9 yds/game
Rushing offense – 11th – 236.4 yds/game
Scoring offense – 59th – 29.6 pts/game
2013 – 2015 – OC/QB coach at NC State
2013
Total offense – 72nd – 404 yds/game
Passing offense – 71st – 240.8 yds/game
Rushing offense – 76th – 162.7 yds/game
Scoring offense – 99th – 22.8 yds/game
2014
Total offense – 60th – 409 yds/game
Passing offense – 80th – 204 yds/game
Rushing offense – 37th – 204.5 yds/game
Scoring offense – 57th – 30.2 pts/game
2015
Total offense – 57th – 413 yds/game
Passing offense – 70th – 210.8 yds/game
Rushing offense – 31st – 202.1 yds/game
Scoring offense – 42nd – 33.2 pts/game
2016 – OC/QB coach at Pittsburgh
Total offense – 42nd – 448 yds/game
Passing offense – 80th – 217.8 yds/game
Rushing offense – 25th – 229.8 yds/game
Scoring offense – 10th – 42.3 pts/game
Edit - More in depth passing numbers...
Completion percentage under Canada -
2012 - 77th (58.4%)
2013 - 71st (58.5%)
2014 - 63rd (58.8%)
2015 - 53rd (59.6%)
2016 - 66th (58.6%)
Passing efficiency under Canada -
2012 - 61st (134.71)
2013 - 92nd (119.24)
2014 - 50th (134.90)
2015 - 70th (128.37)
2016 - 11th (158.07)
I'm not sure where this board's love affair with Canada came from, but I'm not a fan. For the past 5 years, he hasn't fielded an offense that ranked in the top 40 for total offense, nor has he fielded a passing offense that ranked higher than 70th.
Review the following statistics and tell me what warrants making this guy the highest paid offensive coordinator in the country.
2012 – OC/QB coach at Wisconsin
Total offense - 65th – 393 yds/game
Passing offense – 108th – 156.9 yds/game
Rushing offense – 11th – 236.4 yds/game
Scoring offense – 59th – 29.6 pts/game
2013 – 2015 – OC/QB coach at NC State
2013
Total offense – 72nd – 404 yds/game
Passing offense – 71st – 240.8 yds/game
Rushing offense – 76th – 162.7 yds/game
Scoring offense – 99th – 22.8 yds/game
2014
Total offense – 60th – 409 yds/game
Passing offense – 80th – 204 yds/game
Rushing offense – 37th – 204.5 yds/game
Scoring offense – 57th – 30.2 pts/game
2015
Total offense – 57th – 413 yds/game
Passing offense – 70th – 210.8 yds/game
Rushing offense – 31st – 202.1 yds/game
Scoring offense – 42nd – 33.2 pts/game
2016 – OC/QB coach at Pittsburgh
Total offense – 42nd – 448 yds/game
Passing offense – 80th – 217.8 yds/game
Rushing offense – 25th – 229.8 yds/game
Scoring offense – 10th – 42.3 pts/game
Edit - More in depth passing numbers...
Completion percentage under Canada -
2012 - 77th (58.4%)
2013 - 71st (58.5%)
2014 - 63rd (58.8%)
2015 - 53rd (59.6%)
2016 - 66th (58.6%)
Passing efficiency under Canada -
2012 - 61st (134.71)
2013 - 92nd (119.24)
2014 - 50th (134.90)
2015 - 70th (128.37)
2016 - 11th (158.07)
This post was edited on 12/12/16 at 9:24 am
Posted on 12/11/16 at 11:16 pm to Cs
Here comes the Canada riders...
Posted on 12/11/16 at 11:24 pm to Cs
Well that's a huge improvement over Cam Cameron's passing offenses.
Posted on 12/11/16 at 11:39 pm to Cs
And most want him over helfrich lmao
Posted on 12/11/16 at 11:42 pm to Cs
I posted this in a thread last week and got attacked by 2 posters who pretend like they've been on the Canada train.
Lsu offense under cam was ranked higher a couple of those years
Lsu offense under cam was ranked higher a couple of those years
Posted on 12/11/16 at 11:42 pm to Cs
All that offense this year with the recruiting mecca that is the Pittsburgh Pirates pipeline? Not exactly a team full of 4-5* talent up there. Yet still a very capable offense...
Posted on 12/11/16 at 11:54 pm to Cs
This is why we are waiting on Kiffin.
He is the better candidate.
He is the better candidate.
Posted on 12/11/16 at 11:57 pm to Cs
So his offenses have been ranked 59th in the country in total offense?
But he dropped over 70 in a game this year, so he has to be the guy
But he dropped over 70 in a game this year, so he has to be the guy
This post was edited on 12/12/16 at 6:48 am
Posted on 12/12/16 at 12:14 am to Cs
Lies, white lies and ...
Not a Canada rider, but let's get some perspective. So far this season -
Passing Offense Through games of December 10, 2016
Rank Team YPG
1 Texas Tech 463.0
2 Washington St. 370.8
3 Louisiana Tech 359.8
4 California 358.8
5 Western Ky. 336.8
6 East Carolina 334.7
7 Clemson 332.6
8 Toledo 329.1
9 Oklahoma St. 322.8
10 Syracuse 321.3
Rushing Offense Through games of December 10, 2016
Rank Team YPG
1 New Mexico 360.9
2 Army West Point 327.8
3 Air Force 322.8
4 Navy 310.9
5 South Fla. 291.8
6 Auburn 278.5
7 San Diego St. 273.3
8 Tulsa 261.8
9 Ohio St. 258.3
10 Georgia Tech 257.4
Outside of Clemson and Ohio State, not exactly murderer's row. What attracts the eye to Canada's stats is the annual balance in production. That and this year's Top Ten scoring.
In his first year. At Pittsburgh.
Not a Canada rider, but let's get some perspective. So far this season -
Passing Offense Through games of December 10, 2016
Rank Team YPG
1 Texas Tech 463.0
2 Washington St. 370.8
3 Louisiana Tech 359.8
4 California 358.8
5 Western Ky. 336.8
6 East Carolina 334.7
7 Clemson 332.6
8 Toledo 329.1
9 Oklahoma St. 322.8
10 Syracuse 321.3
Rushing Offense Through games of December 10, 2016
Rank Team YPG
1 New Mexico 360.9
2 Army West Point 327.8
3 Air Force 322.8
4 Navy 310.9
5 South Fla. 291.8
6 Auburn 278.5
7 San Diego St. 273.3
8 Tulsa 261.8
9 Ohio St. 258.3
10 Georgia Tech 257.4
Outside of Clemson and Ohio State, not exactly murderer's row. What attracts the eye to Canada's stats is the annual balance in production. That and this year's Top Ten scoring.
In his first year. At Pittsburgh.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 12:21 am to Cs
LOL at using passing yardage to determine how good a passing attack is.
Pitt's starting QB currently has a passer rating north of 161, which is 9th best in the country and 3rd best among power 5 QBs.
Isn't that what we want? A power run game aided by an efficient passing game that can pick up yards in chunks? Peterman averages 9.0 YPA, which is 10th in the country.
Pitt's starting QB currently has a passer rating north of 161, which is 9th best in the country and 3rd best among power 5 QBs.
Isn't that what we want? A power run game aided by an efficient passing game that can pick up yards in chunks? Peterman averages 9.0 YPA, which is 10th in the country.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 1:26 am to Cs
people have been calling him Matt "One Good Year" Canada but the tards' background check only goes back 3 months.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 3:03 am to Cs
I have no idea the obsession over him.
He had one decent year with a legit rb.. okay.. and he put up points on Clemson. woopie doo..
He had one decent year with a legit rb.. okay.. and he put up points on Clemson. woopie doo..
Posted on 12/12/16 at 3:10 am to Cs
Helfrich is the answer. I don't know why he isn't getting more love.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 3:14 am to Cs
quote:
tell me what warrants making this guy the highest paid offensive coordinator in the country.
Who said we would do that if we hire him?
quote:
For the past 5 years, he hasn't fielded an offense that ranked in the top 40 for total offense, nor has he fielded a passing offense that ranked higher than 70th.
Comparing them to Bama and LSU all those seasons:
2012-2013:
TOTAL OFFENSE:
Alabama 31
Wisky 65
LSU 85
SCORING:
Alabama 12
LSU 58
Wisky 59
2013-2014:
TOTAL OFFENSE
Bama 33
NC State 70 (Canada's first year)
LSU 35
SCORING
Bama 26
NC State 60
LSU 62
2014-2015:
TOTAL OFFENSE
Alabama 17 (Kiffin's first year)
NC State 57
LSU 77
SCORING
Alabama 15 (Kiffin's first year)
NC State 55
LSU 73
2015-2016:
TOTAL OFFENSE
Alabama 45
NC State 57
LSU 39
SCORING
Alabama 30
NC State 44
LSU 44
2016-2017
TOTAL OFFENSE
Alabama 26
Pitt 42
LSU 60 (Cameron and Steve Ensminger)
SCORING
Alabama 13
Pitt 10
LSU 67 (Cameron and Ensminger)
ncaa.org stats
So 3 out of 5 seasons Canada ran a better offense than LSU with much lesser talent.
He is also competitive with Bama's total offense in a couple of those years with much lesser talent.
I am curious where you got your total offense numbers. Could you send a link because i wasn't able to tie out all your years.
I think the point here is that stats, in a vacuum, can be analyzed in various ways depending on what team you are comparing it to. I think it's important to watch film on him like others have done, and take those stats in to consideration as well.
He has developed QBs, Broyles Award nominee, offense consistently performs, he has had school record setting offenses, coached at schools with much less talent than LSU, and builds his offense around his talent.
If you don't have Canada as your number 1 I can unserstand that, but some people saying he is not good or a one year wonder aren't taking in all the facts. Numbers are a good measure, but we should consider where he was coaching and the other points i mentioned above.
quote:
For the past 5 years, he hasn't fielded an offense that ranked in the top 40 for total offense, nor has he fielded a passing offense that ranked higher than 70th.
1) i don't think passing offense stat is that telling. I would be more concerned with are his teams' offenses producing and putting up points.
2) his scoring offense consistently improved year over year, and his offense can hang with Kiffin at pitt. Granted, the teams Pitt play aren't as good defensively, but they are also dealing with much less talent than Bama and LSU.
I could see his offense or Kiffin's being successful here, but I'm just not a fan of the risk factor associated with O and Kiffin together. Maybe it wouldn't be an issue at all, but their history coaching together makes me nervous.
I would say my, personal, biggest knock on him are his lack of recruiting ties to the area, which should be a big factor, but let's not pretend that these numbers are end all be all on the guy. I think if you look at his entire resume and understand the talent limitations he has had you will see he is a very good OC.
TL;DR
Stats in a vacuum can be misleading. It's important to consider all factors involved in those numbers. Canada may not be your number 1, but he is definitely a good candidate for the OC position. He is most certainly worthy of an interview for the LSU job.
This post was edited on 12/12/16 at 3:24 am
Posted on 12/12/16 at 4:17 am to Cs
Wait. Stop. You have no idea what you're talking about because this guys offense scored 74 points on Syracuse
Posted on 12/12/16 at 6:06 am to Cs
quote:
I'm not sure where this board's love affair with Canada came from, but I'm not a fan. For the past 5 years, he hasn't fielded an offense that ranked in the top 40 for total offense, nor has he fielded a passing offense that ranked higher than 70th.
Yeah but he beat Penn State and Clemson this year, two conference champs. He must be the guy. Honestly NO. Canada isn't the homerun he's the pop fly that sounds great coming of the bat.
The real homerun hire at OC is either Sark or Briles the Elder. I hope O's aiming for Sark. Briles would be the best but do we really want Bob Ley running us on Outside the Lines non-stop?
Posted on 12/12/16 at 6:39 am to Cs
He's a decent coach, but why he's become TD's chosen one is beyond me.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 6:59 am to Cs
facts don't matter to close minded individuals.
hey, their emotions say Canada is the guy. after all, he really had a great game against Clemson. ergo, he's their guy.
many on this board have the emotional temperament of pre teen girls.
hey, their emotions say Canada is the guy. after all, he really had a great game against Clemson. ergo, he's their guy.
many on this board have the emotional temperament of pre teen girls.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 8:14 am to Cs
Wow, that's horrendous
He's off my list, pretty sure Brennan would be gone as well
He's off my list, pretty sure Brennan would be gone as well
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