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re: Why did Alleva and Herman not sign a contact on Thursday?
Posted on 11/27/16 at 7:33 pm to Dr. 3
Posted on 11/27/16 at 7:33 pm to Dr. 3
Everyone is mad that Alleva didn't hire Herman, but it really doesn't sound like there's anything different he could have done (outside of being a better salesman and convincing Herman to come to LSU over UT).
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 7:33 pm to Chicken
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Seriously? Herman wanted to hear from UT before making a decision. When he found out that they wanted him, it was over for LSU.
This was essentially it. It had little to do with Joe and crew and a hell of a lot more to do with Herman, his agent, and U of T.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 7:36 pm to LSUlunatic
shite I was crossing my fingers like everyone else. As suspect as the leak was, I didnt think someone would do something so underhanded. I was wrong...that was some Sith Lord shite.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 7:36 pm to LSUlunatic
Herman's interest in Texas was common knowledge the entire time. Why did Alleva waste so much time with him? Why wasn't an actual search done? Why didn't Alleva make a more serious effort to get Herman? It's due to Alleva's lack a leadership and being a fricking wimpy idiot who was planning for O the whole time. Follow his history back to Duke. He has never changed.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 7:37 pm to tigerborderjumper
An actual search was done. It was honed down to roughly 8 to 10. From there, it went down to 3, then 2, then 1.
In vetting folks, you not only want a successful coach, but that person has to be a good fit with your program, school, and administration.
6 to 8 folks worked the vetting process with the assistance of a number of others. I think they did the best they could.
In vetting folks, you not only want a successful coach, but that person has to be a good fit with your program, school, and administration.
6 to 8 folks worked the vetting process with the assistance of a number of others. I think they did the best they could.
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 7:40 pm
Posted on 11/27/16 at 7:38 pm to tigerborderjumper
Because Texas brass was saying they were keeping Strong as early as Thursday. The administration wanted to keep him if you believe the reports. It was the boosters orchestrating all this and Im sure some complicit parties in the UT admin.
Hell I would have been pushing out Strong, or at least participating in any campaign to secure Herman.
Hell I would have been pushing out Strong, or at least participating in any campaign to secure Herman.
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 7:39 pm
Posted on 11/27/16 at 7:39 pm to LSUlunatic
Smart's change was a known event. Should be obvious.
You are forgetting the fact that Herman and his agent PLAYED LSU and Alleva. Alleva etal said that 10-12 coaches were evaluted. Unless you have some "inside" info on that aspect of the search, then we have to go on what we have about Herman and Coach O. When you get to the end of the deal, when the other side pulls a stunt like Herman's agent did Thursday, things change quickly. Obviously, Coach O had the inside track.
Herman got the money from Texas, but he also got the problems that are considerable from the meddling boosters. Many people think that they can overcome those kinds of problems. It seldom happens that way.
You are forgetting the fact that Herman and his agent PLAYED LSU and Alleva. Alleva etal said that 10-12 coaches were evaluted. Unless you have some "inside" info on that aspect of the search, then we have to go on what we have about Herman and Coach O. When you get to the end of the deal, when the other side pulls a stunt like Herman's agent did Thursday, things change quickly. Obviously, Coach O had the inside track.
Herman got the money from Texas, but he also got the problems that are considerable from the meddling boosters. Many people think that they can overcome those kinds of problems. It seldom happens that way.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 7:40 pm to LSU Beach Lover
Yea when Jimbo and Herman fell through there was absolute zero contingency other than settling for O.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 7:41 pm to damnedoldtigah
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An actual search was done. It was honed down to roughly 8 to 10. From there, it went down to 3, then 2, then 1.
We formally interviewed O and gave him a chance to present his binder. Who else did we formally interview? Fleck? Fedora? Scott Frost? Anyone?
eta: I'm pretty ignorant about Alluvia's search efforts, but it seems that personally meeting with other candidates (as opposed to their agents) would have been a good way to identify the best candidate.
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 7:46 pm
Posted on 11/27/16 at 7:42 pm to LSUlunatic
Everyone is mad at the complete lack of planning and effort which Alleva typically put into the so called "search". He put on a con man sh*t show and then just flat gave up. That is not what he is paid for, but that how he has always been. The disgrace should never have been hired in the first place.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 7:42 pm to LSU Beach Lover
Herman is still young and about to meet his first major Waterloo. Let's see if he can pick himself up afterwards and learn from it.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 7:51 pm to TigerOne
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Alleva could still have a written agreement, not orally, to lock him up days before but Alleva just f***ed it up to give O a chance.
I'm no Aleva fan, but this statement is either meant as a joke or it is written out of ignorance.
Aleva tried to get Herman to sign a contract and even gave him a Friday night deadline in the hopes of getting the deal done before Texas could come calling. Herman said no. He wanted the Texas job. Always has. Texas wanted him. There was literally nothing Aleva could have done to get Herman to Baton Rouge this year.
However, as I have stated previously, if you want to blame Aleva for botching the firing of Miles LAST year that is warranted. If he would have fired Miles last year, he could hired Herman in the off-season (probably for 4M) and he would have already been employed by LSU this year when the Texas job came open.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 7:52 pm to LSUlunatic
Why would Herman agree to sign on Thursday if he really wanted to coach at Texas? That's the most obvious answer to your question.
We know now he was using LSU as leverage to get Texas to make a decision on Strong.
So, signing on Thursday was out of Alleva's control.
We know now he was using LSU as leverage to get Texas to make a decision on Strong.
So, signing on Thursday was out of Alleva's control.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 7:57 pm to tigerborderjumper
I really don't think a lot of you have a fricking clue. Not getting Herman is not JA's fault this year. Even if we had hired him last year there are no guarantees Texas doesn't get him this year.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 8:03 pm to damnedoldtigah
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Herman is still young and about to meet his first major Waterloo. Let's see if he can pick himself up afterwards and learn from it.
Truer words were never spoken.....the vultures at Texas are just breathing for a while but then.....
I was not impressed with Herman at all. His interviews and record of losses leave a lot to be desired, but good luck to him at Texas.....he's the hot item of the day.....glad we passed in favor a mature coach with the experience to do the job....binders are no joke....you have to have a plan in writing in this world if you are a leader.
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 8:04 pm
Posted on 11/27/16 at 8:06 pm to LSUlunatic
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(outside of being a better salesman and convincing Herman to come to LSU over UT).
This is exactly what needed to be done though
Posted on 11/27/16 at 8:07 pm to LSUlunatic
I'm glad. The guy is so unproven. As a coach recruiter
Posted on 11/27/16 at 8:17 pm to tigerborderjumper
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Everyone is mad at the complete lack of planning and effort which Alleva typically put into the so called "search". He put on a con man sh*t show and then just flat gave up. That is not what he is paid for, but that how he has always been. The disgrace should never have been hired in the first place.
You know exactly NOTHING about the search and planning......you are just bitching without any knowledge...A few years and maturing a big bunch should correct this......
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 8:33 pm
Posted on 11/27/16 at 8:18 pm to Chicken
Doubt it. You, along with the rest of the "insiders" know absolutely nothing. LSU never was serious about Herman or Fisher and both probably knew that. Orgeron was Alleva's plan from day one and the rest was a smokescreen.
According to the TD "insiders" (cough, cough) Herman called Alleva at 5:00 a.m. Saturday morning to let him know he was talking with Texas and that's when Alleva told him "no, we have our man". 7:00 a.m. message goes out that we are announcing our new HC at noon. Probably never know what happened but if that is true then Alleva is pathetic. Personally, I don't give it any credence.
To the question, Herman didn't sign because there was never a serious negotiation with him. Alleva said as much in his presser. If Alleva was serious about Herman there would have been details ironed out way before this.
Also, to believe that Orgeron won the job by his Friday night interview is laughable and sad.
According to the TD "insiders" (cough, cough) Herman called Alleva at 5:00 a.m. Saturday morning to let him know he was talking with Texas and that's when Alleva told him "no, we have our man". 7:00 a.m. message goes out that we are announcing our new HC at noon. Probably never know what happened but if that is true then Alleva is pathetic. Personally, I don't give it any credence.
To the question, Herman didn't sign because there was never a serious negotiation with him. Alleva said as much in his presser. If Alleva was serious about Herman there would have been details ironed out way before this.
Also, to believe that Orgeron won the job by his Friday night interview is laughable and sad.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 8:39 pm to SpookeyTiger
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Doubt it. You, along with the rest of the "insiders" know absolutely nothing. LSU never was serious about Herman or Fisher and both probably knew that. Orgeron was Alleva's plan from day one and the rest was a smokescreen.
According to the TD "insiders" (cough, cough) Herman called Alleva at 5:00 a.m. Saturday morning to let him know he was talking with Texas and that's when Alleva told him "no, we have our man". 7:00 a.m. message goes out that we are announcing our new HC at noon. Probably never know what happened but if that is true then Alleva is pathetic. Personally, I don't give it any credence.
To the question, Herman didn't sign because there was never a serious negotiation with him. Alleva said as much in his presser. If Alleva was serious about Herman there would have been details ironed out way before this.
Also, to believe that Orgeron won the job by his Friday night interview is laughable and sad.
You are so wrong. Chicken was totally correct. Herman wanted Texas and his agent pushed the LSU news to get Texas to act on Strong and that is all that matters. They deserve each other.
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