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re: Lets revisit the "we don't need a RB" discussion.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 9:57 am to TideSaint
Posted on 10/31/16 at 9:57 am to TideSaint
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He feasts on shite defenses.
He got 31 yards on 19 carries against a defense that would be last in the NFL if they were a pro team.
This logic is just pathetically bad. You're comparing Bama's defense to the NFL while ignoring the fact that he'd also be playing with other NFL players. Guess what, LSU's offensive line would also be the worst in the NFL as would every team's. fricking idiotic.
Not only that, it is bullshite. He's run well in basically every game he's played in outside of your 1 game sample. But nice sample size. Also, there is a reason AD ran for 1.6 ypc before his injury this year and it wasn't on him.
This is literally one of the dumbest things that keeps getting repeated (only by Bama fans) on tiger droppings. It is just laughably terrible logic.
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But you'll probably counter with his offensive line didn't do him any favors, right? What exactly would be the difference if he was on the Saints then? Our offensive line is terrible at run blocking.
They really haven't been the past few years and I don't think they are bad this year when healthy either.
Armstead, Peat, Unger, and Strief are all good run blockers. We have the cap space to address the other guard position going forward too.
This post was edited on 10/31/16 at 10:07 am
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Posted on 10/31/16 at 10:04 am to Lester Earl
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they wont draft a RB in the 1st again after the Ingram debacle.
probably right but they drafted Ingram after the whole Reggie Bush thing too.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 10:14 am to 50_Tiger
Fournette is not Ingram he can make something out of the space our line does provide. Dude has speed to shoot through the holes and comeplety punish a linebacker or falt out destroy a DB in the open field. His style and measurables are perfect, like a Lynch and Peterson he will get that defense tired and will get stronger as the goes on. Pair him with a Drew Brees and these young receivers we have and literally see no way you can stop us 
Reggie Bush was a finnese player entirely different case
Reggie Bush was a finnese player entirely different case
Posted on 10/31/16 at 10:20 am to Chad504boy
Outside of the past two games, Ingram has never had a true problem with ball security.
It is right to probably let him steal snaps from Hightower at this point and regain the starting position over the next quarter of the season. Lots of football left to play and Ingram is still a key component in this offense rather people like it or not...definitely a whole lot better than Cadet's sorry arse.
But to prove a point on why some of you are overreacting...
Chris Ivory this year: 40 carries, 2 fumbles, 0 fumbles lost
Chris Ivory last year: 247 carries, 3 fumbles, 2 fumbles lost
Chris Ivory 2 years ago: 198 carries, 2 fumbles, 1 fumble lost
Career: 923 carries, 13 fumbles, 5 fumbles lost - 71.0 carries per fumble, 184.6 carries per fumble lost
Jeremy Hill this year: 104 carries, 0 fumbles
Jeremy Hill last year: 223 carries, 3 fumbles, 3 fumbles lost
Jeremy Hill rookie year: 222 carries, 4 fumbles, 2 fumbles lost
Career: 549 carries, 7 fumbles, 5 fumbles lost - 78.4 carries per fumble, 109.8 carries per fumble lost
Mark Ingram this year: 89 carries, 2 fumbles, 2 fumbles lost
Mark Ingram last year: 166 carries, 1 fumble, 0 fumbles lost
Mark Ingram 2 years ago: 226 carries, 1 fumble, 0 fumbles lost
Career: 837 carries, 5 fumbles, 3 fumbles lost - 167.4 carries per fumble, 279 carries per fumble lost
And I'll add a fan favorite that is no longer here:
PT's Career: 833 carries, 3 fumbles, 3 fumbles lost - 277.7 carries per fumble and per fumble lost.
Which is close to exactly the same as Mark Ingram's career.
It is right to probably let him steal snaps from Hightower at this point and regain the starting position over the next quarter of the season. Lots of football left to play and Ingram is still a key component in this offense rather people like it or not...definitely a whole lot better than Cadet's sorry arse.
But to prove a point on why some of you are overreacting...
Chris Ivory this year: 40 carries, 2 fumbles, 0 fumbles lost
Chris Ivory last year: 247 carries, 3 fumbles, 2 fumbles lost
Chris Ivory 2 years ago: 198 carries, 2 fumbles, 1 fumble lost
Career: 923 carries, 13 fumbles, 5 fumbles lost - 71.0 carries per fumble, 184.6 carries per fumble lost
Jeremy Hill this year: 104 carries, 0 fumbles
Jeremy Hill last year: 223 carries, 3 fumbles, 3 fumbles lost
Jeremy Hill rookie year: 222 carries, 4 fumbles, 2 fumbles lost
Career: 549 carries, 7 fumbles, 5 fumbles lost - 78.4 carries per fumble, 109.8 carries per fumble lost
Mark Ingram this year: 89 carries, 2 fumbles, 2 fumbles lost
Mark Ingram last year: 166 carries, 1 fumble, 0 fumbles lost
Mark Ingram 2 years ago: 226 carries, 1 fumble, 0 fumbles lost
Career: 837 carries, 5 fumbles, 3 fumbles lost - 167.4 carries per fumble, 279 carries per fumble lost
And I'll add a fan favorite that is no longer here:
PT's Career: 833 carries, 3 fumbles, 3 fumbles lost - 277.7 carries per fumble and per fumble lost.
Which is close to exactly the same as Mark Ingram's career.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 10:21 am to Brandincookem
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Fournette is not Ingram he can make something out of the space our line does provide. Dude has speed to shoot through the holes and comeplety punish a linebacker or falt out destroy a DB in the open field. His style and measurables are perfect, like a Lynch and Peterson he will get that defense tired and will get stronger as the goes on. Pair him with a Drew Brees and these young receivers we have and literally see no way you can stop us
Remember how LSU's OL got manhandled, LF was met in the backfield or at the LOS and resulted in an utter domination??
That is what happens to our OL on a weekly basis. He has the potential to be a GREAT RB, but like Peterson early this year, the OL needs to be able to help you out. If they don't/can't...than that is what happens on a regular basis.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 10:28 am to TigerBait1127
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This logic is just pathetically bad. You're comparing Bama's defense to the NFL while ignoring the fact that he'd also be playing with other NFL players. Guess what, LSU's offensive line would also be the worst in the NFL as would every team's. fricking idiotic.
Not only that, it is bullshite. He's run well in basically every game he's played in outside of your 1 game sample. But nice sample size. Also, there is a reason AD ran for 1.6 ypc before his injury this year and it wasn't on him.
This is literally one of the dumbest things that keeps getting repeated (only by Bama fans) on tiger droppings. It is just laughably terrible logic.
Nah. It's not.
The three defenses he played against last year with a pulse held him to 230 yards on 63 carries for a whopping 3.65 yards a carry.
He'll get shut down again this weekend so hopefully this fricking nonsense about the Saints drafting him will end too.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 10:30 am to TideSaint
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The three defenses he played against last year with a pulse held him to 230 yards on 63 carries for a whopping 3.65 yards a carry.
What 3 defenses had a pulse last season?
That's also over 4.5 ypc outside of the bama game. fricking awful
The second best defense we faced was #6 UF and he ran for 180 yards on 31 carries with 2 TDs.
Or do you think that Arky and Ole Miss were good defenses? Lolz. But hey, only 180 yards against ole Miss too with a 70 yard TD taken away for an illegal shift
This post was edited on 10/31/16 at 10:35 am
Posted on 10/31/16 at 10:34 am to TigerBait1127
The three games that fricking mattered for L5U to make a playoff run: Alabama, Arkansas and Ole Miss.
But go ahead and get all excited about his 223 yards against Texas Tech.
But go ahead and get all excited about his 223 yards against Texas Tech.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 10:37 am to TideSaint
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The three games that fricking mattered for L5U to make a playoff run: Alabama, Arkansas and Ole Miss
First, UF was, by far, the 2nd best defense we faced.
Second, he had 180 yards against Ole Miss.
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But go ahead and get all excited about his 223 yards against Texas Tech.
How about I actually look at his performance against good defenses? You know, that 195 yard game against #6 defense UF when he averaged 5.6 ypc
And LF7 played well against both Ole Miss and Arky. Derp
Now let's compare him to the Heisman trophy winner against Ole Miss, Arky, and UF.....
This post was edited on 10/31/16 at 10:42 am
Posted on 10/31/16 at 10:39 am to TideSaint
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The three games that fricking mattered for L5U to make a playoff run: Alabama, Arkansas and Ole Miss.
I don't even want us to draft LF and this argument is ridiculously stupid. Outside of the Bama game which the team as a whole got murdered LF was their only positive...
19 carries, 91 yards, 4.8 YPC - arkansas (defense gave up 31 points)
25 carries, 108 yards, 4.3 YPC - Ole Miss (defense gave up 38 points)
44 carries, 199 yards, 4.52 YPC
In comparison, some Heisman trophy winning RB agianst those two teams:
23 carries, 127 yards, 5.5 YPC - Ole Miss (defense gave up 43 points in a loss)
27 carries, 95 yards, 3.5 YPC - arkansas (defense gave up 14 points)
50 carries, 222 yards, 4.44 YPC
but you know...
facts
This post was edited on 10/31/16 at 10:41 am
Posted on 10/31/16 at 10:39 am to TideSaint
I dont want LF7.
RB in general is a talent rich position in most drafts.
LF7's skillset also is not a guaranteed fit here. We need a RB more in the mold of a Willie Parker or a Brian Westbrook. Those backs can be had much later in the draft.
RB in general is a talent rich position in most drafts.
LF7's skillset also is not a guaranteed fit here. We need a RB more in the mold of a Willie Parker or a Brian Westbrook. Those backs can be had much later in the draft.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 10:45 am to htran90
Did I advocate for us to draft Henry?
Hell no.
This team needs way more help than a running back, most notably offensive line and defensive help.
If we had the Cowboys O-Line? Sure. Draft Fournette.
Vikings defense? Sure. Draft Fournette.
We have too many holes to draft a running back in the first round, especially one who hasn't exactly set the world on fire against good college defenses.
Hell no.
This team needs way more help than a running back, most notably offensive line and defensive help.
If we had the Cowboys O-Line? Sure. Draft Fournette.
Vikings defense? Sure. Draft Fournette.
We have too many holes to draft a running back in the first round, especially one who hasn't exactly set the world on fire against good college defenses.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 10:46 am to TigerBait1127
Henry against Arky, Ole Miss, UF:
411 yards, 94 carries, 4.37 ypc, 3 TDs, 6 catches 44 yards
LF7:
379 yards on 75 carries (5.05 ypc). 3 TDs. 8 catches, 123 yards.
Yea, he was just absolutely shut down
Can you read? We don't want to draft LF7, but your argument was frick-tarded. We compared him to the supposed best player in CFB as a standard instead of trying to measure Bama's D against the NFL.
Not to mention you ranked two sub 50 defenses higher than a top 10 one. Selective memory I guess.
Another interesting stat: AD has 11 games with under 4 ypc (one with negative) in college. I'm gonna assume those 11 defenses would also have been the worst in the NFL
411 yards, 94 carries, 4.37 ypc, 3 TDs, 6 catches 44 yards
LF7:
379 yards on 75 carries (5.05 ypc). 3 TDs. 8 catches, 123 yards.
Yea, he was just absolutely shut down
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We have too many holes to draft a running back in the first round, especially one who hasn't exactly set the world on fire against good college defenses.
Can you read? We don't want to draft LF7, but your argument was frick-tarded. We compared him to the supposed best player in CFB as a standard instead of trying to measure Bama's D against the NFL.
Not to mention you ranked two sub 50 defenses higher than a top 10 one. Selective memory I guess.
Another interesting stat: AD has 11 games with under 4 ypc (one with negative) in college. I'm gonna assume those 11 defenses would also have been the worst in the NFL
This post was edited on 10/31/16 at 10:53 am
Posted on 10/31/16 at 10:56 am to Brettesaurus Rex
It's almost like you're telegraphing a run/pass play depending on which RB you have in the game.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 11:00 am to mojoey
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You don't pass on a RB like this.
Yeah you do. Our offense is fine. Our defense needs help. We've had 1 sack in the last 2 games. The offense is consistently one of the best in the league while the defense is one the worst yet you guys still want to go offense.
This post was edited on 10/31/16 at 11:02 am
Posted on 10/31/16 at 11:02 am to 1BamaRTR
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We haven't had a sack in the last 2 games.
We sacked Wilson on first or second drive of the game. Actually got a ton of pressure yesterday.
But I agree, pass rusher in the 1st
This post was edited on 10/31/16 at 11:03 am
Posted on 10/31/16 at 11:27 am to htran90
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Outside of the past two games, Ingram has never had a true problem with ball security.
I don't know where you got Ingram's stats from but he has 9 career fumbles in 2014 he had 3 alone (which is ALOT). Fumbles happen and are apart of the game, but let's not act like he's been Marshall Faulk protecting the ball for the Saints.
This post was edited on 10/31/16 at 11:29 am
Posted on 10/31/16 at 11:32 am to Magazine St
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but let's not act like he's been Marshall Faulk protecting the ball for the Saints.
Marshall Faulk had 7 seasons with 3+ fumbles including a 7 fumble season
He averaged 3 fumbles/season, not including playoffs
This post was edited on 10/31/16 at 11:35 am
Posted on 10/31/16 at 11:38 am to TigerBait1127
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Marshall Faulk had 7 seasons with 3+ fumbles including a 7 fumble season
He averaged 3 fumbles/season, not including playoffs
marshall faulk carried the ball 2836 times in his career.
Fumbled 30, lost 22
That is: 1 fumble/94.5 carries; 1 lost/128.9 carries
worse than Ingram.
People want to bitch and complain and they FINALLY have a legitimate case to complain, yet they want to go over the top about it.
Ingram has never had ball security problems until last week. Ingram had 748 carries and had lost 1 fumble before going into 2016. Hell, he had 833 carries before he lost his 2nd career fumble in the regular season...
This post was edited on 10/31/16 at 11:39 am
Posted on 10/31/16 at 11:40 am to Brettesaurus Rex
Nothing I can say could ever stop the 4,567 "draft Fournette!" threads that will pop up here between now and next Spring but it's worth pointing out that if the season ended today we have enough wins to put us well outside the top 5 draft picks. Maybe that will change, but it probably won't, so maybe this isn't really something worth spending a lot of time on?
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