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Why O is Not the man for the Job
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:05 am
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:05 am
I saw an interesting thread trying to prop O up as the front runner for the full time HC and figured I'd do the opposite.
Let's first clarify something, I like Coach O. I think he's a great representative for the school and the state. I like that he comes from cajun country and sounds almost exactly like my grand father. I would love to try his jambalaya, word on the street is it's pretty damn good. I think, if I'm completely honest, he has potential as a HC. I don't doubt he's learned from his past mistakes and probably picked up a few things coaching under some great coaches. All that said, he's STILL not the best option for LSU.
We all feel this program is elite, agree? We all know this is a top 5 job in the country with the resources, recruiting base, fan base, and facilities. There's a very strong argument that there is really only place that is a better job (Notice I said there's an argument not that it is fact). All that being said, shouldn't a top tier program have a top tier Head Coach? Do you honestly believe Coach O is a better coach than Herman or Jimbo or Fedora or Kelly or Fleck or (insert other big names floating around)? If you do, then you just don't know football and I'd venture to say you don't know sports in general.
This is a turning point in this program. This hire will affect the program for 10+ years. The wrong hire puts on par with USC in the post Carrol age or Florida in the post Meyer age. If you're ok with that, sure hire O. If you want to compete for championships, you go big. This moment is too critical to waste on anything more than a homerun hire. Making an emotional hire could have dire consequences for this program. Put aside how much you like Coach O and try to look at this objectively. Don't get caught up in the PR campaign or the fact that he's racking up big numbers on offense (He knows he has to do that if he wants a shot at the job). Be honest with yourselves about who's really right for the program and can bring us back to the promised land.
Here's the WHY's: (ETA for a few of you O lovers)
1.) Outside of his stint as Interim at USCe and LSU, he's been a failed Head Coach.
2.) The only opportunity he had to RUN A PROGRAM he failed. This is not just about on the field coaching. This isn't high school. The next coach has to build and/or maintain this program at an elite level. That is about 20% actual coaching. Recruiting he gets an A+. The biggest knock on him at Ole Miss was he was too much of a players coach and failed to maintain discipline OFF the field.
3.) Just because he may have learned from his mistakes doesn't make him worthy of showcasing what he's learned at LSU. If we were a smaller program, he'd be a fantastic hire.
4.) The emotions from this season will where off. No matter what some of you tell yourselves, this season has a lot more to do with emotions than you'd like to admit. The firing of a coach is an emotional period for players and many tend to rally around the interim to prove themselves. What happens when that emotion is gone?
5.) He's admitted he wanted to a deligater. I'm sorry, but delegaters don't make the best head coaches. Look wherever you like, college, pro, doesn't matter. The best coaches in football are involved on one side of the ball or other. Examples: Sean Payton has a heavy hand in the offense. Bill Belicheck has a heavy hand the defense. Saban, defense. Meyer, Offense. Fisher, offense. Pick whoever you want. The best coaches in football are more than just delegaters.
6.) He's never been a coordinator. His resume consists of a ton of DLine Coaching stints, one failure as a head coach, a 6-2 record in the interim at USCe, and 3-0 interim at LSU. He's been involved is schemes before, of course. But he's never been the head of scheming. He's never worked out a game plan and executed it from a coordinator stand point.
Need I go on?
Let's first clarify something, I like Coach O. I think he's a great representative for the school and the state. I like that he comes from cajun country and sounds almost exactly like my grand father. I would love to try his jambalaya, word on the street is it's pretty damn good. I think, if I'm completely honest, he has potential as a HC. I don't doubt he's learned from his past mistakes and probably picked up a few things coaching under some great coaches. All that said, he's STILL not the best option for LSU.
We all feel this program is elite, agree? We all know this is a top 5 job in the country with the resources, recruiting base, fan base, and facilities. There's a very strong argument that there is really only place that is a better job (Notice I said there's an argument not that it is fact). All that being said, shouldn't a top tier program have a top tier Head Coach? Do you honestly believe Coach O is a better coach than Herman or Jimbo or Fedora or Kelly or Fleck or (insert other big names floating around)? If you do, then you just don't know football and I'd venture to say you don't know sports in general.
This is a turning point in this program. This hire will affect the program for 10+ years. The wrong hire puts on par with USC in the post Carrol age or Florida in the post Meyer age. If you're ok with that, sure hire O. If you want to compete for championships, you go big. This moment is too critical to waste on anything more than a homerun hire. Making an emotional hire could have dire consequences for this program. Put aside how much you like Coach O and try to look at this objectively. Don't get caught up in the PR campaign or the fact that he's racking up big numbers on offense (He knows he has to do that if he wants a shot at the job). Be honest with yourselves about who's really right for the program and can bring us back to the promised land.
Here's the WHY's: (ETA for a few of you O lovers)
1.) Outside of his stint as Interim at USCe and LSU, he's been a failed Head Coach.
2.) The only opportunity he had to RUN A PROGRAM he failed. This is not just about on the field coaching. This isn't high school. The next coach has to build and/or maintain this program at an elite level. That is about 20% actual coaching. Recruiting he gets an A+. The biggest knock on him at Ole Miss was he was too much of a players coach and failed to maintain discipline OFF the field.
3.) Just because he may have learned from his mistakes doesn't make him worthy of showcasing what he's learned at LSU. If we were a smaller program, he'd be a fantastic hire.
4.) The emotions from this season will where off. No matter what some of you tell yourselves, this season has a lot more to do with emotions than you'd like to admit. The firing of a coach is an emotional period for players and many tend to rally around the interim to prove themselves. What happens when that emotion is gone?
5.) He's admitted he wanted to a deligater. I'm sorry, but delegaters don't make the best head coaches. Look wherever you like, college, pro, doesn't matter. The best coaches in football are involved on one side of the ball or other. Examples: Sean Payton has a heavy hand in the offense. Bill Belicheck has a heavy hand the defense. Saban, defense. Meyer, Offense. Fisher, offense. Pick whoever you want. The best coaches in football are more than just delegaters.
6.) He's never been a coordinator. His resume consists of a ton of DLine Coaching stints, one failure as a head coach, a 6-2 record in the interim at USCe, and 3-0 interim at LSU. He's been involved is schemes before, of course. But he's never been the head of scheming. He's never worked out a game plan and executed it from a coordinator stand point.
Need I go on?
This post was edited on 10/29/16 at 8:16 am
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:06 am to ibleedprplngld
When will it stop
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:07 am to ibleedprplngld
O is a better recruiter than all of those coaches that you named. and, since he's not a micro manager, he's perfect for all of the talent that he recuits. so.......get a top tier OC/DC and roll with it.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:08 am to ibleedprplngld
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Put aside how much you like Coach O
How can you put this aside? It is part of it, and a reason people like him is because he's changed things and we're winning. And at no point did you give a valid reason why O is not the man for the job.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:08 am to ibleedprplngld
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Do you honestly believe Coach O is a better coach than Herman or Jimbo or Fedora or Kelly or Fleck
Herman and Jimbo should be pursued as possible replacements. Kelly ain't coming. That's dumb. Saying Fedora or Fleck is top tier is also dumb. Coach O can be successful here. He already has been.
This post was edited on 10/28/16 at 10:26 am
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:08 am to ibleedprplngld
Right so why would fedora or fleck be an option if this effects 10+ years. Must want us to end up like Texas.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:09 am to ibleedprplngld
Jimbo under acheives and Herman has been a head coach for 2 years... This season is the first season we have seen him face adversity and he has not handled it well... Are we really wanting to give him the keys to our great program just after 2 years of being a head coach?? IF we are going to look somewhere else, we need to be looking at PJ Fleck.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:09 am to ibleedprplngld
I am curious to know who you think legitimately would come to LSU that is better than Coach O at this point. That LSU could afford... Why not have a great recruiter and a Fantastic motivator like Coach O is? Not saying give him the job today, but the statement "He's not LSU's best option" leaves me in question... as to who the heck can we get..
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:10 am to ibleedprplngld
It will look extremely bad on LSU if he wins out and not get the job.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:10 am to ibleedprplngld
I say we go coachless. Let the players figure it out.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:12 am to ibleedprplngld
Do you not read the board?
There have been multiple posts about this, I suggest posting on those threads. Seems like a post like this starts everyday
There have been multiple posts about this, I suggest posting on those threads. Seems like a post like this starts everyday
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:12 am to ibleedprplngld
Don't care...ENJOYING LSU FOOTBALL AGAIN!
That is enough for me. I'll let the dudes that actually HIRE coaches worry with this shite
That is enough for me. I'll let the dudes that actually HIRE coaches worry with this shite
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:12 am to ibleedprplngld
I don't see how you can include Herman in that argument.
Never a HC at a P5 school, only been a HC (FBS or FCS) for 1.7 seasons.
I'm not saying Herman shouldn't be considered or CEO is the man for the job, I'm just saying you are arguing, it seems because you never say it, that there's a minimum resume/experience at 'elite' programs. Using that metric, you can't include Herman and exclude CEO.
Never a HC at a P5 school, only been a HC (FBS or FCS) for 1.7 seasons.
I'm not saying Herman shouldn't be considered or CEO is the man for the job, I'm just saying you are arguing, it seems because you never say it, that there's a minimum resume/experience at 'elite' programs. Using that metric, you can't include Herman and exclude CEO.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:16 am to ibleedprplngld
Yes I do believe he is better
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:18 am to ibleedprplngld
i have avoided as many of the "Coach O is or isnt the man for the job" threads as possible. its getting out of hand. its really quite simple, we need a recruiter who gets the most out of the players he recruits. its not about the next up and coming guy or the most highly sought after guy or even the guy with a winning history. we need a guy that gets the best players in the country to come here and then be able to make them perform as such. I , for one, think O is that guy. Just an opinion. give me your DV's now please....
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:18 am to ibleedprplngld
LSU's not getting the 1st 2---& the last 2 ain't worth a POS.......So,---------who do you have as 5,6 & 7.....??
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:28 am to ibleedprplngld
Coach O gets criticized for his record at Ole Miss, but how many of the top coaches you named have ever been a head coach in the SEC? I don't know CEO personally, and will not be making the decision, but several talking heads, including Jason Seahorn, said that if USC had a do over that CEO would be the coach. Does the administration want to feel the same in two years? We can't put Herman, Fleck, or Jimbo at Ole Miss instead of CEO in the past, but ask yourself how any of them might have done.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:29 am to ibleedprplngld
What if Coach O is elite?
He gets ragged on for his stint at Ole Miss. That was his first HC job and it happened to come about when the SEC was establishing itself as the premier conference in college football.
The man can flat out recruit. That's something you must be able to do in order to stay on top.
He doesn't need to be an X's and O's guy. That's what the position coaches are for. We just need him to manage the program by surrounding himself with the best assistants and players.
He gets ragged on for his stint at Ole Miss. That was his first HC job and it happened to come about when the SEC was establishing itself as the premier conference in college football.
The man can flat out recruit. That's something you must be able to do in order to stay on top.
He doesn't need to be an X's and O's guy. That's what the position coaches are for. We just need him to manage the program by surrounding himself with the best assistants and players.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:29 am to ibleedprplngld
I have mixed feelings if we should hire Coach O, he would not be a homerun hire for a program the size of LSU but on the other hand Les was also not a homerun hire and look what he did. The down fall of putting the interim tag on him if we do not give him the job we for sure will loss a great assistant coach. If you take Jimbo name out, coach O may be equal to the rest of them, and may have the upper hand if he can hold on to the assistant coaches we have. After the way LSU handle the LES situation last year, if we do have a Ace in our back pocket on a homerun hire, hopefully we play the card the right way at the right time.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 9:33 am to ibleedprplngld
quote:
Do you honestly believe Coach O is a better coach than Herman or Jimbo or Fedora or Kelly or Fleck or (insert other big names floating around)?
IMO Herman is the best coach out there. But there is no guarantee that my opinion is correct or that he wants to come here. O might be a better option here than Jimbo, who has looked human after losing Winston. Fedora has finished a season ranked in the top 25 ONCE since becoming a head coach in 2008. He won ONE conference title at Southern Miss and has only won a division title at UNC since taking over in 2012. I'd rather hire Miles back than hire Kelly. (And that is really saying something) Fleck coaches at Western Michigan. No.
O has the team excited. He has the fanbase excited. He has recruits excited. He is not a perfect hire, but neither is anyone else out there with an actual interest in being the coach at LSU.
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