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re: How much is this gonna cost me (plumbing)
Posted on 10/10/16 at 2:19 am to LSUengr
Posted on 10/10/16 at 2:19 am to LSUengr
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Plug the drain and let the shower run. Go outside and see if it is leaking. My father is a home inspector and does it on every house he inspects. If it has a metal shower pan, it will leak eventually.
I am the worst at any home improvement job but even I have always used this method to find leaks, it is just common sense.
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Posted on 10/10/16 at 5:09 am to lsu480
This is what I did. I never noticed moisture outside, so I never even looked to do this before. When I pointed out the grout cracks (which I thought was just shitty construction at first), this guy went take a look at a few things to be sure. He noticed moisture around the cracks. House is less than 5 years old, so wasn't expecting shower pans to rust through or anything. I'm the one that asked him to take a look. Don't know why anyone is saying he "went in dry one me". Hadn't paid the man a dime for this and he said he'd come back if I saw more fluid and check some things for free. I then saw the leak with my own eyes after the next shower was taken. I know somethings not right. I want to make sure there is no rotten wood or mold since this could have been happening for a year. Now that's my own dumbass fault, but I was told if proper backer board and thinset were used, the cracks really shouldn't cause a huge water issue. They are about 2 foot up on a ledge in the shower, but it does get wet from over spray. Been meaning to call about this, but I can be lazy and forgetful when nothing bad is happening (at least that I can see)
Posted on 10/10/16 at 7:11 am to KG6
Don't call a repairman, it'll cost you thousands.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 7:16 am to KG6
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few cracks in the foundation in the corner of the house where the shower is.
Maybe have a cracked drain pipe in slab. Although cracks are probably hairline and wouldn't be sever enough to crack the pvc.
sounds like you have a tub with tiled shower walls. This eliminates a "bad pan" that some here have mentioned. Its unlikely the water is simply coming from tile joints unless you let water pour down the walls for extended periods and the build really screwed up the tile install. sounds more like a drain pipe issue either in the concrete or just about where tub connects. Either way, not good.
My WAG to rip out everything and go back with same tiled shower/tub setup will run you 2500ish. If go back with precast shower stall/tub with no tile will be less.
Hope you get it resolved
Posted on 10/10/16 at 7:36 am to Chuker
It's a separate shower and tub next to each other. Found an old picture below. Grout crack is all along the top of the tub box in (both inside the shower and outside). Water from the shower hits it for sure. But again, thought it was not an issue if installed correctly. Had been meaning to get someone to re-grout, but as stated earlier, I'm a dumbass and can be lazy.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 8:40 am to KG6
Are there any cracks above the door frames? Do your doors stick? Most often if there's differential settlement it will affect the lateral shear walls in your house- then consequently your door frames. If water is running out of your foundation it could erode the bearing soil underneath your foundation. What about step cracks if you have CMU foundation walls?
Posted on 10/10/16 at 9:45 am to NYNolaguy1
I just rebuilt a shower with a friend with a similar problem. His problem was his shower pan was leaking at the drain causing moisture to seep into his garage.
When building a shower like that it should be waterproofed using either Kerdi or a paint on type membrane like Redguard. Grout isn't considered waterproof nor is tile, hence the waterproof membrane underneath the tile. So if the shower was constructed correctly it doesn't matter if there was cracks in the tile/grout as the actual waterproofing is on top of the drywall (kerdi), or backerboard (redguard).
Looking at the picture the shower pan is probably a custom showerpan built on site. Same thing with the shower pan, it should have a waterproof membrane over top of it all the way to the shower drain.
Do you have a Kerdi or Laticrete brand shower drain. That would tell me what waterproofing they used for the walls. If you have a Kerdi drain then the tile contractor used Kerdi membrane on the wall, same for laticrete. Typical tile installers will shop for all the materials at the same store.
When building a shower like that it should be waterproofed using either Kerdi or a paint on type membrane like Redguard. Grout isn't considered waterproof nor is tile, hence the waterproof membrane underneath the tile. So if the shower was constructed correctly it doesn't matter if there was cracks in the tile/grout as the actual waterproofing is on top of the drywall (kerdi), or backerboard (redguard).
Looking at the picture the shower pan is probably a custom showerpan built on site. Same thing with the shower pan, it should have a waterproof membrane over top of it all the way to the shower drain.
Do you have a Kerdi or Laticrete brand shower drain. That would tell me what waterproofing they used for the walls. If you have a Kerdi drain then the tile contractor used Kerdi membrane on the wall, same for laticrete. Typical tile installers will shop for all the materials at the same store.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 9:48 am to KG6
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Grout crack is all along the top of the tub box in (both inside the shower and outside).
Is the crack at a change of plane? If so tile code (not building code) calls for caulk at these locations. If its a change of plane the two planes shift which causes the grout to crack. If you ever go into a restroom at a public place and they have tiled walls you'll notice the corners were the two walls meet are almost always cracked. Good tile installers will use sanded caulk from the grout manufacturer.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 10:26 am to PSU2LSU
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Is the crack at a change of plane?
Yes, it's around the top edge of the tub closest to the camera in the picture and also inside the shower. It's not like an "inside" corner where you would run a bead of caulk (there is caulk in all those corners). It's where the tile from the top plane meets the tile that creates the "sides" of the tub.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 10:40 am to KG6
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It's where the tile from the top plane meets the tile that creates the "sides" of the tub.
It shouldn't matter if it was done correctly because the inside of the shower where the change of plane occurs should have a membrane underneath it. If you are getting moisture behind that then it wasn't installed correctly. You can just run a bead of clear caulk ontop of the grout. Or you can dig out the old grout and put in a sanded caulk to match the grout.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 10:41 am to KG6
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Hoping this isn't some major foundation issue.
What area of Houston are you in? Foundation problems are very common in Houston because of the shrink/swell soils.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 10:45 am to KG6
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hoping this is under 5k.
easily, don't panic, get a few quotes, you probably don't want to do it yourself but at least google the process involved, you can do an estimate of materials and man hours to do the job and you'll know if a plumber/handy man is trying to gouge you
Posted on 10/10/16 at 10:46 am to PSU2LSU
If you want to see how much rot/damage was done without tearing everything out. You can see if there is a access panel in the cabinent so that you can serivce the Jacuzzi. Or check if there is an access panel in the adjoining room. IF there isn't you can cut a small hole in the cabinent so that you can get a flashlight and look underneath the jacuzzi. If you drilled a hole and have a inspection camera you could go that route.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 10:48 am to KG6
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The cracks in the grout have been there and I've been meaning to call forever (probably a year, I'm lazy).
Congrats on fricking yourself.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 10:49 am to KG6
who takes/keeps pics of their bathroom? 
Posted on 10/10/16 at 10:51 am to PSU2LSU
I agree, check through the acces panel. The way the faucets are, it looks like the access panel is in the adjacent room or in the cabinet. This would be the easiest route to take.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 10:55 am to 777Tiger
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who takes/keeps pics of their bathroom?
It was still up on the real estate website
. Actually really weird to go back and look at how the previous owner had it set up. Wife had told me a few weeks ago that she saw that. So I remembered and went grab the pic. To the others, no access panels. Screw Texas houses.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 10:57 am to KG6
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Screw Texas houses.
agreed, where are you in TX?
Posted on 10/10/16 at 11:00 am to Chuker
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sounds like an insurance claim is in order to me.
More than likely denied due to long term damage.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 11:00 am to 777Tiger
The Woodlands. Everything is done cheaply here. Not that suburban houses in LA were a whole lot better. But the drywall jobs, the painting, the flooring, the molding (so much caulk), etc. is all very cheaply done. Something I noticed in all houses we looked at, but it's really started to stand out 2 years into this.
If they do have to tear out this shower, I may get the whole bathroom re-tiled. The grout work is noticeably bad to me now even in the main floor.
ETA: If it's any consolation, we did have a guy come look at painting and building a few things for us when we first noticed the cracks. Got a quote from him to re-grout as well. He gave us a price, but he said it really shouldn't be an issue if everything was installed correctly. Ended up painting myself and not getting the other stuff done. That's the reason I put it off. Still should have done something, but just kept putting it off.
If they do have to tear out this shower, I may get the whole bathroom re-tiled. The grout work is noticeably bad to me now even in the main floor.
ETA: If it's any consolation, we did have a guy come look at painting and building a few things for us when we first noticed the cracks. Got a quote from him to re-grout as well. He gave us a price, but he said it really shouldn't be an issue if everything was installed correctly. Ended up painting myself and not getting the other stuff done. That's the reason I put it off. Still should have done something, but just kept putting it off.
This post was edited on 10/10/16 at 11:05 am
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