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Who are the most powerful beings in the Star Trek universe?

Posted on 10/9/16 at 7:17 pm
Posted by Methuselah
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Posted on 10/9/16 at 7:17 pm
As I said in an earlier post, I've been catching up (or reaching in some cases) old Stark Trek episodes. Actually I've been kind of parallel watching TOS and TNG episodes.

So-

There are some ultra powerful (but often kind of dullard) entities in the universe.

Who do you think are the most powerful.

1- Q/The Continuum?
2- Trelane's parents?
3- Metrons?
4- The beings who gave Barkley his powers?
5- The Traveler?
6- Someone I haven't seen or thought of?

Don't worry about spoiling anything for me. I don't mind at all.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 10/9/16 at 7:26 pm to
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1- Q/The Continuum?
2- Trelane's parents?


These two are spiritually the same. TNG (and, to be fair, a lot of the new shows paid some sort of tribute to the old - often, repeatedly - and why not? TOS was fantastically ahead of its time and, perhaps THE classic example of a show that was "too good" for television) - recycled the Squire of Gothos basics in making Q in the first place. A childlike being, with a childlike sense of morality, but with Godlike powers. Star Trek was riffing on itself with Trelane as it is - as Charlie X explored similar themes very early in the first season.

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3- Metrons?


Always assumed that those folks had a geographical limit (as can the effect by Trelane's parents) or range - a range not imposed on the continuum. At any rate, they chose not to interfere - almost the opposite of Q's personal philsophy.

For that matter, the folks from Talos IV were pretty power for corporeal beings.

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5- The Traveler?


Immensely powerful, but also with lots of limitations and brackets around that power.

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4- The beings who gave Barkley his powers?


I don't think we know enough about the Cytherians - I would put them on the scale of the Vorlons in Babylon 5, but not quite Q-level.

It's going to be the continuum - because the only real limits noted on their powers were self-imposed.
This post was edited on 10/9/16 at 7:27 pm
Posted by Tiger Ree
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Posted on 10/9/16 at 7:31 pm to
The old guy whose wife and planet were killed/destroyed in an attack. He created his house complete with wife and tried to scare the enterprise away with a bigger badder starship. All from the comfort of his living room.
Posted by Amblin
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Posted on 10/9/16 at 7:40 pm to
"The old guy whose wife and planet were killed/destroyed in an attack. He created his house complete with wife and tried to scare the enterprise away with a bigger badder starship. All from the comfort of his living room"

I was thinking this one also. That was some good acting at the ending scene.
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 10/9/16 at 7:40 pm to
Don't forget Gary
Posted by Master of Sinanju
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Posted on 10/9/16 at 7:50 pm to
Organians deserve a mention.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 10/9/16 at 7:58 pm to
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Organians deserve a mention.


Yeah - they enforced at least a quadrant (or nearly so) wide peace treaty for a good bit of time.

Still not sure what their enforcement mechanism was - as their continued to be hinky shite going on all the time. Either it was dropped or largely ignored (perhaps they got bored/disillusioned with all of it?) by the time of the TOS movies.
Posted by Tackle74
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Posted on 10/9/16 at 7:59 pm to
Q considering there were many Q not just one or two.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 10/9/16 at 8:01 pm to
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Q considering there were many Q not just one or two.




But they were a continuum - so, there's that. Many faces of 1 infinite (or infinite enough for our purposes) being.
This post was edited on 10/9/16 at 8:02 pm
Posted by Spock's Eyebrow
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Posted on 10/9/16 at 8:04 pm to
How about Kevin? What was he?
Posted by SEClint
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Posted on 10/9/16 at 9:11 pm to
The Tribbles
Posted by Dodgson
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Posted on 10/9/16 at 9:57 pm to
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The old guy whose wife and planet were killed/destroyed in an attack.


The scene where he reveals to Picard what he did is one of my favorite TNG scenes.
Posted by Spock's Eyebrow
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Posted on 10/9/16 at 10:08 pm to
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The scene where he reveals to Picard what he did is one of my favorite TNG scenes.




That was Kevin. With one thought, he blinked an entire race of 50 billion out of existence. That's pretty powerful. I don't believe they ever established what he was or referred to him ever again.
Posted by Tiger Ree
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Posted on 10/9/16 at 10:51 pm to
I don't believe they ever established what he was or referred to him ever again.

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Kevin reveals that he is a Douwd, an immortal energy being with vast powers.
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Stricken with grief and wanting revenge, Kevin lashed out with his vast powers and wiped out the entire Husnock species—over 50 billion. Horrified by his crime, he chose self-exile to the planet, creating the replicas of Rishon and their house with which to spend the rest of eternity and using a recreation of the Husnock ship as intimidation to keep their privacy
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The Enterprise leaves Kevin and his illusion in peace, and Picard confirms he will issue a warning not to visit the planet.


That was an awesome episode:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Survivors_(Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation)
Posted by LuckySo-n-So
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Posted on 10/9/16 at 11:39 pm to
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The old guy whose wife and planet were killed/destroyed in an attack. He created his house complete with wife and tried to scare the enterprise away with a bigger badder starship.


That's who I thought of immediately.

Could the Q do such a thing? They had to resort to a tornado to kill another Q.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 10/9/16 at 11:45 pm to
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How about Kevin?


Kevin was a riff on Flint from Requiem for Methuselah - a fantastic late series episode of TOS, based on a Jerome Bixby script. Now, Flint had nothing on Kevin, from a power standpoint, but the themes were quite similar.

If anything, Star Trek is guilty of going to this well too many times - and all the shows did it - an immensely powerful race of beings with no clear motives, and disappear from the scene as quickly as they appear - (obviously excepting the Q continuum). Now, the Organians continued to be mentioned because of the peace treaty, but the balance of this mega-powerful races were apparently suitable for a one-time appearance as a plot device to be overcome.

But, some of the best acting and writing did show up for these characters/episodes. William Campbell as Trelane, James Daly as Flint, Delancie's Q is one of the definitive quest characters in all of Star Trek, John Anderson as Kevin - all pretty significant performances.

ETA: The Changelings and Borg were essentially "depowered" versions of these super-powerful races - and they had to be depowered to be a semi-permanent foe. Otherwise, it would have been foolish.
This post was edited on 10/10/16 at 6:43 am
Posted by Methuselah
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Posted on 10/10/16 at 12:33 am to
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William Campbell as Trelane

Dang. At first glace I had assumed that was a young Liberace playing Trelane.

I agree though, there was some very strong acting in these episodes.
Posted by PowerTool
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Posted on 10/10/16 at 12:48 am to
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If anything, Star Trek is guilty of going to this well too many times - and all the shows did it - an immensely powerful race of beings with no clear motives, and disappear from the scene as quickly as they appear


I agree. I know the galaxy is big and still largely unexplored, but it seems like all of these gods would cause some ripples. Kevin was able to destroy an entire race of billions just with a thought, and somehow no one else in the galaxy had noticed or ever knew that civilization existed.
Posted by SlapahoeTribe
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Posted on 10/10/16 at 3:39 am to
Hum...

It is hard not to say that the Q is the most powerful. He/they have the ability to travel through time, extinguish entire species, and grant their power to whomever they desire. But I like to think that they are restricted, at least somewhat, by the desires of the Continuum.

The Daug (?) that erased an entire civilization by just hating them seems to be pretty much all powerful. He said that his powers extend to all corners of the galaxy. Also had the power to create life (his wife) and give that life independent thought - that's going to be pretty hard to beat. He appeared to have no restrictions on his power and no one to answer to (unlike Q).

Then there was that being that trapped the Enterprise-D in the "empty space" bubble. He killed a member of the bridge crew just to see what would happen and threatened to do the same with 1/3 or 1/2 of Picard's crew. It wasn't really explained the limits of his power.

There was also those people from another galaxy (early TNG episode) that pulled the Enterprise to their home to learn from them and then just sent them back. To my best recollection that was the farthest anything in the Star Trek universe ever traveled.

Though the Traveler seemed to be immortal and had an ability to somewhat manipulate space/time, that was about the limits to his powers.

Guinan I wouldn't consider powerful, but she certainly appeared to have a nearly-eternal life span. Also had a sense that transcended space-time and into multiple universes.



But I'd say by far the single most powerful being in the entire Star Trek universe,
from the original series,
to the movies,
to TNG,
to TNG movies,
to DS9,
to the new movies...
...
the single most power character,
and it's not even close...
was ...
...
Wesley Crusher.
No one else could make me instantly hate an episode with such vitriol and definiteness as he could. He only had to appear on the screen and I just knew he was going to annoy the shite out of me for the entire hour.
This post was edited on 10/10/16 at 3:55 am
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 10/10/16 at 6:42 am to
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Wesley Crusher.
No one else could make me instantly hate an episode with such vitriol and definiteness as he could. He only had to appear on the screen and I just knew he was going to annoy the shite out of me for the entire hour.




Deus Ex Wesley is the weakest part of the first couple of seasons of TNG, no doubt. There should be a film school course on how much better TNG would be if they were able to lift entirely all traces of Wesley Crusher.
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