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Marvel Series Villains vs Movie Villains
Posted on 10/1/16 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 10/1/16 at 4:38 pm
Seems like the series Villains are one step away from being heroes and vice versa.
The movie Villains are more absolute.
Agree? Disagree?
The movie Villains are more absolute.
Agree? Disagree?
Posted on 10/1/16 at 4:44 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
The movie villains are pretty lame so far. Loki is the only halfway decent one. Kingpin is cool but doesn't seem too villainous to me. Overall, Marvel has really dropped the ball on their on screen villains.
Posted on 10/1/16 at 4:45 pm to Brosef Stalin
They are very one dimensional, outside of Winter Soldier who turned out to not be a villain.
Posted on 10/1/16 at 4:51 pm to Brosef Stalin
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Overall, Marvel has really dropped the ball on their on screen villains.
Especially with Ultron. It was just false advertising. Ultron should be fricking horrifying, but instead he's just a goofball that literally the world didn't find out about until the end. I mean this line was in the trailer:
"I was designed to save the world. People will look up to the sky and see... hope... I'll take that from them first."
But no one but save a dozen people knew about him until he lifts the city out of the sky. Ultron is the Avengers greatest villain, and they just ruined him. He should have wiped out at least one major city. I hope they bring him back for Infinity Wars, maybe making the cliffhanger for Part 1 Ultron reawakening, and then doing him properly. Would be awesome for a 3 way war between the Avengers, Thanos, and Ultron.
Posted on 10/1/16 at 5:09 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
The Purple Man is a super-rapist and Kingpin crushes skulls in SUV doors...
I think the Netflix villains would scare the shite out of the movie villains.
I think the Netflix villains would scare the shite out of the movie villains.
Posted on 10/1/16 at 5:40 pm to Fewer Kilometers
I think the show's villains have been pretty excellent.
Kilgrave is psychotic and was portrayed brilliantly. And he was fully fleshed out, which is one of the great things about the length of the shows versus the movies. You actually saw why he had such issues.
Punisher is an anti-hero bordering on villainy and is one of the morally ambiguous characters that is made for in depth exploration.
Fisk we saw change from Fisk to Kingpin over the course of a season and become a full blown criminal mastermind.
Cottonmouth I've only seen one episode of in Luke Cage, but so far he's perhaps the most one dimensional. He is nakedly grasping for power through violence. Still, he's fairly intriguing.
Ultron was poo and could have been so great if done well. The set up of his character in the film was brilliant, being the conception of Stark and Banner, and a showcase of how ego and our technological progress can lead to very real moral questions.
Thanos is simply too vague to really be much of an issue yet or for me to assign much judgment to him.
The Thor villains besides Loki have sucked.
Red Skull is intriguing of only because he founded Hydra which has continued to permeate the MCU. Otherwise he's fairly bland.
Winter Soldier is a great villain turned hero.
The Iron Man villains are forgettable. The first one served his purpose well, though,and it made sense. The other two were just terrible.
Basically the MCU villains are butt.
Kilgrave is psychotic and was portrayed brilliantly. And he was fully fleshed out, which is one of the great things about the length of the shows versus the movies. You actually saw why he had such issues.
Punisher is an anti-hero bordering on villainy and is one of the morally ambiguous characters that is made for in depth exploration.
Fisk we saw change from Fisk to Kingpin over the course of a season and become a full blown criminal mastermind.
Cottonmouth I've only seen one episode of in Luke Cage, but so far he's perhaps the most one dimensional. He is nakedly grasping for power through violence. Still, he's fairly intriguing.
Ultron was poo and could have been so great if done well. The set up of his character in the film was brilliant, being the conception of Stark and Banner, and a showcase of how ego and our technological progress can lead to very real moral questions.
Thanos is simply too vague to really be much of an issue yet or for me to assign much judgment to him.
The Thor villains besides Loki have sucked.
Red Skull is intriguing of only because he founded Hydra which has continued to permeate the MCU. Otherwise he's fairly bland.
Winter Soldier is a great villain turned hero.
The Iron Man villains are forgettable. The first one served his purpose well, though,and it made sense. The other two were just terrible.
Basically the MCU villains are butt.
Posted on 10/1/16 at 7:17 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
Kilgrave is awesome, easily Marvels best villain IMO. Kingpin was just ok and Loki is highly overrated. JMHO.
Posted on 10/1/16 at 7:50 pm to RLDSC FAN
Winter Soldier is the worst villain relative to the screen time he's gotten.
Posted on 10/1/16 at 8:01 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
Netflix have been done an amazing job with their villains I agree. Yea they should've done more with Ultron. Disney aside, I loved the Alfred Molina as Doc Ock...he was one of my favorites.
Posted on 10/1/16 at 8:52 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
Are you saying kilgrave and kingpin are one step away from being heroes?
Wut?
Wut?
Posted on 10/1/16 at 9:36 pm to monkeybutt
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Are you saying kilgrave and kingpin are one step away from being heroes?
Yes. Every great villain is the hero of their own story. D'Onofrio's portrayal of Kingpin certainly demonstrates that.
Even Cottonmouth was trying to keep Harlem...Harlem.
Posted on 10/1/16 at 9:38 pm to monkeybutt
Kingpin wants to make Hell's Kitchen great again.
Posted on 10/1/16 at 10:00 pm to OMLandshark
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this line was in the trailer:
"I was designed to save the world. People will look up to the sky and see... hope... I'll take that from them first."
But no one but save a dozen people knew about him until he lifts the city out of the sky. Ultron is the Avengers greatest villain, and they just ruined him. He should have wiped out at least one major city.
This. All of it.
Imagine if they had the rights to Dr. Doom.
The Russo Brothers have been knocking it out the park. Im hoping they do well with Thanos murdering people to get the infinity gauntlet
Posted on 10/1/16 at 10:02 pm to Bourque2
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loved the Alfred Molina as Doc Ock...he was one of my favorites.
Definitely. And Defoe as Green Goblin
Posted on 10/1/16 at 11:45 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
The majority of the best developed villains belong in the rogue galleries of Spiderman, X-Men, or Fantastic Four. Goblin, Magneto, and Doom easily crack Top 5 Marvel villain lists.
Posted on 10/2/16 at 10:54 am to Breesus
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Im hoping they do well with Thanos murdering people
Don't get your hopes up dude, this is Disney after all.
Posted on 10/2/16 at 11:59 am to PurpleandGold Motown
I will say Marvel has had some of the weakest villains... I mean in Superman you at least had a guy who was going to destroy the world and killed people to prove a point.
Posted on 10/2/16 at 3:33 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
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Even Cottonmouth was trying to keep Harlem...Harlem.
No, his cousin was. He just wanted to stay in power.
Posted on 10/2/16 at 5:35 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
There are pretty big differences between the netflix shows and the movies.
The movies are much larger ins scope. When the stakes are the survival of the world there is a lot less room for gray area.
I really enjoy all the shows (haven't gotten to see Luke Cage)
They are more intimate. Small neighborhoods and personal vendettas.
I am a huge fan of both the Netflix series and the Movies
The movies are much larger ins scope. When the stakes are the survival of the world there is a lot less room for gray area.
I really enjoy all the shows (haven't gotten to see Luke Cage)
They are more intimate. Small neighborhoods and personal vendettas.
I am a huge fan of both the Netflix series and the Movies
Posted on 10/2/16 at 7:29 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
I think you guys are missing my point. The Series villains are more "real" to me. They have a back story. They have real motivations. They have a good side as well as an evil. Things are more gray in the series. I like that.
Even in the MCU which is immense and uses multiple movies to develop characters, they all feel rather hollow in comparison to the heroes. Now, this could be because the best villains are not available, but dammit, make them interesting!
Even in the MCU which is immense and uses multiple movies to develop characters, they all feel rather hollow in comparison to the heroes. Now, this could be because the best villains are not available, but dammit, make them interesting!
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