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Recruiting Class Myth

Posted on 9/7/16 at 7:26 am
Posted by JawjaTigah
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Posted on 9/7/16 at 7:26 am
So many here obsess about having the best recruiting classes, 4&5 star commits, etc.
We have had top classes the past several years - not #1s but mostly highly ranked.
Where has that gotten us?
If you don't coach to develop the talent to the next level, and utilize it, it remains what it was - raw talent but unrealized potential.
Does that look like a pattern we at LSU have grown quite familiar with?
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 9/7/16 at 7:28 am to
Are you somehow saying having great recruiting classes is a bad thing?
Posted by GetmorewithLes
UK Basketball Fan
Member since Jan 2011
19744 posts
Posted on 9/7/16 at 7:30 am to
Recruiting class ranks are not myths. The teams that have won the NC's have been persistently in the top team rankings in the years prior. This goes back as far as the recruiting rankings are kept.

You are correct however and I agree that if you don't coach em up then your effort is for naught.
Posted by TigerFanNKaty
texas
Member since Sep 2008
10251 posts
Posted on 9/7/16 at 7:30 am to
I've had this discussion on here with a couple of other posters. Our classes have been propped up by skill position players. The Offensive and Defensive line recruiting has fallen behind our rivals. I think O and Grimes are recruiting better but it will take time to restock. And you are right the coaches on the offensive side are not doing a good enough job of developing that talent.
Posted by Tigeralltheway
Member since Jan 2014
2602 posts
Posted on 9/7/16 at 7:31 am to
Disagree..look at Bama and Ohio State to name a few
Posted by dos crystal
Georgia
Member since Aug 2008
4745 posts
Posted on 9/7/16 at 7:34 am to
quote:

So many here obsess about having the best recruiting classes, 4&5 star commits, etc. We have had top classes the past several years - not #1s but mostly highly ranked. Where has that gotten us? If you don't coach to develop the talent to the next level, and utilize it, it remains what it was - raw talent but unrealized potential. Does that look like a pattern we at LSU have grown quite familiar with?


I'm for a change. With that said, your point is flawed.

LSU is first or second in n.f.l. players. Someone coached or developed them.

Now, the results on offense has more to do with qb and basic offense. The wr's are taught to block which is a big deal at the n.f.l. level.

I don't think the issue is developing players. To a large extent it's not about coaches not knowing how to teach. It has more to do with a core belief in the head guy as to his philosophy to run the ball 70 to 80% of the time and not willing to adapt to modern day football.

Barry Switzer believed in the wishbone. However, the wishbone's time had passed when Jimmy Johnson came around.

I don't think you have to be a spread team in todays time. I just believe you have to be balanced at what you do and be able to disguise or set up what you do.

Harbaugh, Jimbo, and even saban do not have full out spread offense. However, they disguise and set up what they do well. All three are basically power run teams first. They are not power run teams solely.
Posted by Mulerider
Member since Jul 2013
1615 posts
Posted on 9/7/16 at 7:40 am to
Bad philosophy and no talent gives you LSU football in the 90's. Bad philosophy and overwhelming talent gives you LSU football of today.

Great philosophy, adjustments and overwhelming talent gives you Alabama football.

Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
11479 posts
Posted on 9/7/16 at 7:41 am to
College football is about 90% recruiting. You can win 8-10 games a year just by having great talent. That's been the story with miles. Good records but usually not great. Some people are fine with that.
But to compete for championships again we need to retain the talent level and upgrade on the sidelines.
The thing that pissed me off about last year was the powers at Lsu decided being decent was good enough for Lsu, instead of deciding that we want to play for championships. Bama, osu, Fsu, all the big boys have fired good coaches because they didn't want to just be good, they wanted to be great. But for some reason Lsu is supposed to be content with middle of the secw.
This post was edited on 9/7/16 at 7:46 am
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 9/7/16 at 7:46 am to
quote:

Where has that gotten us?


Winning a bunch of games with a less than stellar gameday coach.
Posted by tke857
Member since Jan 2012
12195 posts
Posted on 9/7/16 at 7:52 am to
alabama continues year in and year out to get top 3 classes and look at their production
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35707 posts
Posted on 9/7/16 at 7:52 am to
You are also not maximizing your recruiting classes if you pair 4 and 5 star receivers with a QB who can't throw accurately. That also minimizes the value of your blue chip running backs and o-line.

Sounds while you might have a 3rd ranked class, you really have to rank it around 10-15 because you are neutralizing some of your value.
This post was edited on 9/7/16 at 7:54 am
Posted by tilthatday
New Orleans
Member since Mar 2009
904 posts
Posted on 9/7/16 at 7:54 am to
What have our top recruiting classes gotten us? A whole series of 10 win seasons, that's what.
I do agree that recruiting rankings can be deceptive. We get good talent but so does every other program we compete with in the SEC West. There is no real talent gap, in my opinion. It's all coaching from there.
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 9/7/16 at 7:59 am to
Recruiting good players is not enough. You need to recruit good players at all positions to assemble a good team. LSU has recruited good players in large part, look at NFL rosters for evidence. It just has not recruited enough good players at QB or OT recently.
Posted by TigerDM
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2013
1636 posts
Posted on 9/7/16 at 8:18 am to
The key to recruiting is properly evaluating talent.
LSU does a far better than average job in this, based on the large amount of players that make it to the NFL. On the flip side, the NFL is full of 3 star and below players. The best coaches are the ones that can see those guys that are going to be the late bloomers. Our fans don't seem to understand this and go crazy when we get a commitment from a 3 star and miss on someone higher rank, that we really didn't seem to recruit very hard.

This was the downfall of Mack Brown. He just offered all the 4 and 5 stars in TX and had shut down recruiting before the season had started. He ended up with a roster full of players for TX who had already maxed out physically. A few years ago they had no players drafted when their signing classed 3, 4 and 5 years before were all top 5.
Posted by Oddibe
Close to some, further from others
Member since Sep 2015
6629 posts
Posted on 9/7/16 at 8:25 am to
quote:

Where has that gotten us?
Have you stopped to think that maybe the talent on the field has made up and overcome the coaching ability. We have won many games on talent alone, despite the offense.
Posted by Lsuchs
Member since Apr 2013
8073 posts
Posted on 9/7/16 at 8:28 am to
The top recruiting teams the last 4 classes have been:
1 Alabama (avg: 1)
2 Ohio State (avg: 4)
3 LSU (avg: 4.25)
4 Florida State (avg: 5)

^ one of these is not like the others on the field

This post was edited on 9/7/16 at 8:52 am
Posted by HollierThanThou
Member since Jan 2012
6222 posts
Posted on 9/7/16 at 9:07 am to
Recruiting is half the battle, coaching is the other.

Excellent recruiting + below average coaching = average results

and thats where we are at

Excellent recruiting + excellent coaching = excellent results

see Bama, OSU, FSU
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