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Strength and conditioning discussion
Posted on 8/21/16 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 8/21/16 at 3:08 pm
Why are we having so many leg injuries at the start of this season? Is there something the team is doing differently this season or off-season they didn't do in the past?
I know Coach Moffit is one of the best S&C coaches and he's highly innovative with workouts, but what is going on? Is this on him?
I've heard Moffit talking about the players doing yoga as part of their schedule. How is this beneficial? I'm not a PT but even I can understand that power and limber contradict each other.
I hope we've seen the last of the injuries, Geaux Tigahs!
I know Coach Moffit is one of the best S&C coaches and he's highly innovative with workouts, but what is going on? Is this on him?
I've heard Moffit talking about the players doing yoga as part of their schedule. How is this beneficial? I'm not a PT but even I can understand that power and limber contradict each other.
I hope we've seen the last of the injuries, Geaux Tigahs!
Posted on 8/21/16 at 3:09 pm to colors_of_kings
Have fun with down votes. I got laughed at for bringing this up two knee injuries ago
Posted on 8/21/16 at 3:17 pm to colors_of_kings
Strength and flexibility do not contradict each other. It's a violent sport played by massive athletes. shite happens and people get injured.
Posted on 8/21/16 at 3:22 pm to colors_of_kings
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I've heard Moffit talking about the players doing yoga as part of their schedule. How is this beneficial? I'm not a PT but even I can understand that power and limber contradict each other.
Power and flexibility do not contradict each other.
Olympic weightlifters are arguably the most flexible athletes in the world aside from gymnasts. The entire Hatch System implemented by Coach Moffit, as well as four other Power 5 Conference strength and conditioning coaches, is predicated on building strength and power through the Olympic lifts.
Yoga assists in maintaining elasticity in the muscles, which allow them to undergo their full range of motion and also aids in achieving maximal contraction. It is not uncommon for football teams to engage in some form of extensive stretching program such as yoga. If I'm not mistaken, Saban's 2003 team even made use of it.
Yoga is a predominantly passive stretching activity that involves many static holds. That wouldn't necessarily make it a beneficial practice immediately prior to athletic activity because it limits force production. However, it is a phenomenal prehab tool which can be used after lifting and conditioning while the muscles are already warm and engorged with blood.
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Why are we having so many leg injuries at the start of this season? Is there something the team is doing differently this season or off-season they didn't do in the past?
I know Coach Moffit is one of the best S&C coaches and he's highly innovative with workouts, but what is going on? Is this on him?
Injuries happen in football. It's just a fact of the sport.
Injuries also happen in cycles with various programs. Some teams become plagued by the "injury bug". It sounds bogus, but shite happens. There's no need to necessarily blame the coaching staff.
Now, if athletes are repeatedly unable to rehabilitate properly, then you can begin to question the practices of both the strength and conditioning and the athletic training staff.
This post was edited on 8/21/16 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 8/21/16 at 3:23 pm to colors_of_kings
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I'm not a PT but even I can understand that power and limber contradict each other.
lol, they go in hand in hand.
What in the actual frick
Posted on 8/21/16 at 3:25 pm to colors_of_kings
Yoga is one of the best things to do for both flexibility and balance. Athletes have been doing it for years and it has been nothin but beneficial. Trying to link a joint injury with yoga is laughably stupid.
Also how in the absolute frick do you think that power and flexibility contradicte one another?
This post was edited on 8/21/16 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 8/21/16 at 3:27 pm to CypressTrout10
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Have fun with down votes. I got laughed at for bringing this up two knee injuries ago
As you should have. Its an idiotic statement.
Posted on 8/21/16 at 3:29 pm to colors_of_kings
20 years in S&C here. It's probably freak things. shite happens. Moffitt & his crew didn't forget how to prepare a team in the last year.
Now, I don't know how they've changed or if they've changed their approach to identifying & addressing individual dysfunction. But 5 years ago when I had trainers working for me that interned with LSU, they told me they weren't doing much. It was old school hatch. Nothing more, nothing less. I would think as it's gotten more popular & more backed with proof that they would have implemented something by now. Every Pro sports franchise & many many NCAA have. But I don't know. My lil brother will be interning with Moffitt next summer. I can't wait to get an inside look at what they do/don't do
Now, I don't know how they've changed or if they've changed their approach to identifying & addressing individual dysfunction. But 5 years ago when I had trainers working for me that interned with LSU, they told me they weren't doing much. It was old school hatch. Nothing more, nothing less. I would think as it's gotten more popular & more backed with proof that they would have implemented something by now. Every Pro sports franchise & many many NCAA have. But I don't know. My lil brother will be interning with Moffitt next summer. I can't wait to get an inside look at what they do/don't do
Posted on 8/21/16 at 3:30 pm to colors_of_kings
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I've heard Moffit talking about the players doing yoga as part of their schedule. How is this beneficial? I'm not a PT but even I can understand that power and limber contradict each other.
So you think increased flexibility is a bad thing for a high level athlete? Makes sense...
Posted on 8/21/16 at 3:31 pm to Lester Earl
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quote: I'm not a PT but even I can understand that power and limber contradict each other. lol, they go in hand in hand. What in the actual frick
Yeah, that's just silly. That's pre-Alvin Roy thinking right there. Lifting weight makes u muscle bound & slow
This post was edited on 8/21/16 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 8/21/16 at 3:34 pm to Guava Jelly
quote:just being flexible for the sake of being flexible is not always good. I know y'all are speaking in the general sense but it's much more involved than that.
think increased flexibility is a bad thing for a high level athlete? Makes sense...
Now, the yoga thing. It's fine. But it doesn't address anything at the individual level. Nothing done in a mass group does. Buuuut, it's hard to do it any other way when u working with over 100 people
This post was edited on 8/21/16 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 8/21/16 at 3:35 pm to 0
Sunshine was made fun of for doing yoga (well tai chi?), but he put a hurt on that big mean All-American defensive lineman.
Posted on 8/21/16 at 3:48 pm to beauchristopher
It's the nature of the beast. Watched an interview of Tennessee head coach the other day. Ton of injuries.
Posted on 8/21/16 at 4:09 pm to 0
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Also how in the absolute frick do you think that power and flexibility contradicte one another?
Just because people often use these two words together do NOT make them one in the same.
Take a boxer (breed of dog) for example: They have tightly wound muscles and just about zero flexibility; but can run, jump, and bull-rush the frick out of Lassie who can probably lick his balls around his tail.
Open up your minds people, you don't know!
Posted on 8/21/16 at 4:11 pm to colors_of_kings
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I'm not a PT
No shite.
Posted on 8/21/16 at 4:19 pm to colors_of_kings
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Take a boxer (breed of dog) for example: They have tightly wound muscles and just about zero flexibility; but can run, jump, and bull-rush the frick out of Lassie who can probably lick his balls around his tail.
I had a boxer that could sniff its own a-hole so evidently you don't know shite about dogs either.
Posted on 8/21/16 at 4:33 pm to 0
We need to stop practicing chop blocks.
Posted on 8/21/16 at 4:38 pm to colors_of_kings
You can't have a discussion about this. Our strength and conditioning coach is grandized no matter what. He is a good one, but we have been pushed around plenty by physically prepared teams.
Posted on 8/21/16 at 4:40 pm to Schmelly
Thanks Schmelly,
What's your opinion on joint injuries? Is there something that you've noticed over the years that can contribute to more or less of these type injuries?
What's your opinion on joint injuries? Is there something that you've noticed over the years that can contribute to more or less of these type injuries?
Posted on 8/21/16 at 4:41 pm to 0
4 out of 5 Boxers agree.
This post was edited on 8/21/16 at 6:10 pm
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