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The Trolly Problem and The Fat Man - What would you do?
Posted on 8/5/16 at 7:19 pm
Posted on 8/5/16 at 7:19 pm
The Trolley Problem:
There is a runaway trolley barreling down the railway tracks. Ahead, on the tracks, there are five people tied up and unable to move. The trolley is headed straight for them. You are standing some distance off in the train yard, next to a lever. If you pull this lever, the trolley will switch to a different set of tracks. However, you notice that there is one person on the side track. You have two options:
1. Do nothing, and the trolley kills the five people on the main track.
2. Pull the lever, diverting the trolley onto the side track where it will kill one person.
The Fat Man:
As before, a trolley is hurtling down a track towards five people. You are on a bridge under which it will pass, and you can stop it by putting something very heavy in front of it. As it happens, there is a very fat man next to you – your only way to stop the trolley is to push him over the bridge and onto the track, killing him to save five. Should you proceed?
There is a runaway trolley barreling down the railway tracks. Ahead, on the tracks, there are five people tied up and unable to move. The trolley is headed straight for them. You are standing some distance off in the train yard, next to a lever. If you pull this lever, the trolley will switch to a different set of tracks. However, you notice that there is one person on the side track. You have two options:
1. Do nothing, and the trolley kills the five people on the main track.
2. Pull the lever, diverting the trolley onto the side track where it will kill one person.
The Fat Man:
As before, a trolley is hurtling down a track towards five people. You are on a bridge under which it will pass, and you can stop it by putting something very heavy in front of it. As it happens, there is a very fat man next to you – your only way to stop the trolley is to push him over the bridge and onto the track, killing him to save five. Should you proceed?
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Posted on 8/5/16 at 7:22 pm to Scruffy
Do nothing, both cases.
Considering the realism that is five people being randomly tied up on a railway track, I must assume that it is possibly a death sentence being carried out for 5 criminals.
The individual can reasonably assumed to be innocent.
Considering the realism that is five people being randomly tied up on a railway track, I must assume that it is possibly a death sentence being carried out for 5 criminals.
The individual can reasonably assumed to be innocent.
Posted on 8/5/16 at 7:23 pm to PrivatePublic
quote:Scruffy is pretty sure that Snidely Whiplash never tied a guilty dame to the train tracks.
I must assume that it is possibly a death sentence being carried out for 5 criminals.
This post was edited on 8/5/16 at 7:24 pm
Posted on 8/5/16 at 7:26 pm to Scruffy
Thought this was gonna be about Gary Chambers calling the BR trolley racist
Posted on 8/5/16 at 7:27 pm to upgrayedd
It still could be. If the fat man in the second question was Gary Chambers, how would it affect your answer?
Posted on 8/5/16 at 7:28 pm to Scruffy
first case, divert and yell to get the person off the tracks.
In the second scenario I would do nothing.
I can see saving someone and in the process leading to the death of someone else. I can't see intentionally sacrificing someone else against their will in an attempt to save others.
In the second scenario I would do nothing.
I can see saving someone and in the process leading to the death of someone else. I can't see intentionally sacrificing someone else against their will in an attempt to save others.
Posted on 8/5/16 at 7:31 pm to Scruffy
Unfortunately, I'd probably be charged with a hate crime if I threw that fatass over the side so I'd let him live.
Rule #1 - I'm #1
Rule #1 - I'm #1
Posted on 8/5/16 at 7:47 pm to Napoleon
quote:It fails to state that the one person on the side track is also tied up.
first case, divert and yell to get the person off the tracks.
quote:Is one life worth more than five or is the act of personally sacrificing one life the issue?
second scenario I would do nothing.
I can see saving someone and in the process leading to the death of someone else. I can't see intentionally sacrificing someone else against their will in an attempt to save others.
Posted on 8/5/16 at 7:51 pm to Scruffy
I cannot wait until our cars are making this decision.
I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords.
I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords.
Posted on 8/5/16 at 7:51 pm to Scruffy
I would grab a beer. The world has too many people as it is.
Posted on 8/5/16 at 7:54 pm to Scruffy
1. Pull the lever
2. Do nothing...because pushing him is murder
2. Do nothing...because pushing him is murder
Posted on 8/5/16 at 7:57 pm to Scruffy
One act makes me a murderer. The other makes me a spectator.
Can I get the ages, sex and ethnicity of each of the 5?
Can I get the ages, sex and ethnicity of each of the 5?
Posted on 8/5/16 at 8:05 pm to Scruffy
It's the same damn question.
If it makes you feel better that you are one degree away [the lever hypo] from killing a person, you don't have the balls to do what is necessary anyway.
If it makes you feel better that you are one degree away [the lever hypo] from killing a person, you don't have the balls to do what is necessary anyway.
This post was edited on 8/5/16 at 8:06 pm
Posted on 8/5/16 at 8:05 pm to Scruffy
Kill the one person if I don't know him.
If I know him, and like him, let the rest die.
If I know him, and like him, let the rest die.
This post was edited on 8/5/16 at 8:06 pm
Posted on 8/5/16 at 8:07 pm to Scruffy
quote:
If the fat man in the second question was Gary Chambers, how would it affect your answer?
Shoot his arse first then push him on the tracks
Posted on 8/5/16 at 8:25 pm to Tittle'sPants
quote:Yes and no.
It's the same damn question.
That one degree of separation makes a massive difference in some minds.
Look at the other poster who said that one makes him a spectator while the other makes him a murderer.
It alters the dynamics.
Posted on 8/5/16 at 9:14 pm to Scruffy
Intriguing situations
I think I'd take the plausible deniability route and say I didn't see anything... Tough call
I think I'd take the plausible deniability route and say I didn't see anything... Tough call
Posted on 8/5/16 at 9:26 pm to Scruffy
I think I am supposed to pull out my phone and video this. Right?
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