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re: Thoughts about systemic racism
Posted on 7/21/16 at 10:09 am to slackster
Posted on 7/21/16 at 10:09 am to slackster
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That isn't an average or some derived statistic, that is 35 out of every 100 ask children living below the poverty line. When only 11 out of 100 white children are below the poverty line, it is an advantage
An advantage for who? The average white child? Thats not a person. They cant experience advantages. Its a concept.
A rich white child has an advantage. A rich black child has an advantage. A rich child has an advantage.
A white child doesnt have an advantage because 89 out of 100 werent born into poverty, nor does a black child have a disadvantage because 35 out 100 black children were born into poverty. They either have and advantage or disadvantage based on their specific quality of life REGARDLESS of the statistics.
You can look at the population to determine the advantages that the population as a whole experiences. But to then try and equate to some tangible, predictive, small scale mechanism is faulty logic. It just is. And most people do it.
It'd be like saying "4% of people in America are gay." And then after that looking at a room of 25 people and saying "1 of you is gay. And we arent leaving until we agree on that."
This post was edited on 7/21/16 at 10:11 am
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Posted on 7/21/16 at 10:36 am to tigerpimpbot
quote:Preach
Southern white conservative man's opinions on how blacks should feel about racism is as irrelevant as a man's opinion on what tampon is best for women to use.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 10:51 am to BobLeeDagger
I love terms like "systemic racism" and "institutional racism" they can't point to a particular person, place or thing that is racist so they just use these terms and assume everything is racist and you have to prove that it's not
Posted on 7/21/16 at 10:55 am to sjmabry
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Southern white conservative man's opinions on how blacks should feel about racism is as irrelevant as a man's opinion on what tampon is best for women to use.
Southern white conservative men arent allowed to discuss what IS and ISNT racism?
Posted on 7/21/16 at 10:58 am to Hester Carries
quote:Just be happy you're on the other side, mmmkay!
Southern white conservative men aren't allowed to discuss what IS and ISNT racism?
Posted on 7/21/16 at 11:08 am to Hester Carries
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You can look at the population to determine the advantages that the population as a whole experiences. But to then try and equate to some tangible, predictive, small scale mechanism is faulty logic. It just is. And most people do it.
Well isn't that the point I'm trying to make? You may take issue with me isolating a child of either race, which is fine, but it doesn't change my basic premise that on the whole, more black children are born into bad situations (financially, familial, etc.) than white children. We know the situations produce few success stories, regardless of race, so when one race is born into those situations a high rate, it explains a lot of the eventual shortcomings that are blamed on systemic racism.
We're on the same page, at least I think, with respect to the overall question about systemic racism, but I do believe being white is an advantage over being black given the current demographics of this country. That doesn't mean any of it is racism though.
This post was edited on 7/21/16 at 11:09 am
Posted on 7/21/16 at 11:10 am to sjmabry
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Just be happy you're on the other side, mmmkay!
How do you know what its like on this side?
Posted on 7/21/16 at 11:53 am to tigerpimpbot
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Damn that's deep. It sort of makes sense that certain groups in the lower average IQ catagory are advocating unrest and chaos. It's their way of leveling the playing field.
Exactly. It's gotta be so damn frustrating being expected to compete at the same level when the odds are you just aren't able to. It would be like expecting 5"8 kids to be just as good at dunking as 6"7 kids while society is telling the 5"8 they are just as capable as dunking as the 6"7 kids. The lies we tell as a society and unfair expectations we place on them is what is holding them back more than any other factor.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 12:01 pm to barry
Congratulations. Your post is the most ignorant one in this whole thread.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 12:17 pm to lsu480
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Expecting a group with an average IQ of 85 to compete in a nation where the average IQ is over 100, when you exclude the group with an IQ of 85, is the very definition of systemic racism if you think about it. Its truly sad that we put this pressure and expectations on certain groups.
Are you saying that genetically, they have lower brain function? Cause if its a nurture thing, and not a nature thing then putting pressure on them is a way to raise that number. If its a nature thing, then you've basically proven that something can be racist and be true. And we have to decide as a society whether its more important to go with facts or to not be racist, in those instances.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 1:18 pm to Hester Carries
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Are you saying that genetically, they have lower brain function? Cause if its a nurture thing, and not a nature thing then putting pressure on them is a way to raise that number. If its a nature thing, then you've basically proven that something can be racist and be true. And we have to decide as a society whether its more important to go with facts or to not be racist, in those instances.
I am not saying it, science is. Its a scientific fact that certain races have different average IQs and it is also a fact that IQ can only be increased through nurture by a very, very small amount. Since IQ is caused by nature I wouldn't call it racist, it is just a fact and we need to be honest about it.
If you look at the success Asian people have in this country compared to other minority groups it is due to the fact that they have extremely high average IQs, much higher than white people. Yes they also have great family units and work hard but a lot of that has to do with them being smart enough to know they will be rewarded for doing this. Jews have the highest IQs of anyone and it is obvious when you look at how successful they are compared to most.
Intelligence isn't what makes people good or bad, and there are obviously outliers in every group, so it is a complicated problem. I don't have a solution I know would solve everything but the current system of hiding the facts isn't helping anyone and I have a few ideas that could help, I do know unless we are honest we will never solve ANYTHING.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 1:24 pm to lsu480
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I wouldn't call it racist,
quote:
rac·ism
'ra?siz?m
noun
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
The fact isnt racist. The belief in the fact is, by definition, racist. The problem we have is it is universally accepted that being racist is bad. So we have, according to what you are saying is scientific evidence, made it wrong to hold a belief that correlates with science. That would be a problem, if true.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 1:30 pm to lsu480
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I am not saying it, science is. Its a scientific fact that certain races have different average IQs
link
there are different meanings of "IQ" and different ways it can be measured and interpreted
and what does "race" mean? Did you see a study that indexed IQ to the amount of melanin in peoples skin?
Posted on 7/21/16 at 1:34 pm to Hester Carries
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the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
It is not racist because it is not all member, obviously there are thousands of black people smarter than I am and there are thousands of Asians not as smart as an average black guy.
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The problem we have is it is universally accepted that being racist is bad. So we have, according to what you are saying is scientific evidence, made it wrong to hold a belief that correlates with science. That would be a problem, if true.
While I don't agree it is by definition racist society will because they throw that term around like crazy. Is it racist to say that Asians are on average shorter than Norwegians? Would you, or anyone, disagree with that? Is it racist to say Africans on average weigh less than Samoans? Would you, or anyone, disagree with that? Probably not right? The facts are just as strong that there are average IQ differences by race but the vast majority of people would not agree, in fact the vast majority would refuse to accept it even though it is fact, so they are literally refusing to accept reality which makes them make up reasons for why certain races tend to do better in America. The reasons always include blame, and blame causes strife, which is why we have what we are seeing today.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 1:43 pm to TigerRad
Here is one link you can start with:
LINK
for real though read it, its a HUGE study.
Not really and no matter how you measure it there are differences between races
The idea that the only difference between races is skin color is the dumbest thing I have ever heard in my life. How can anyone live on this planet and honestly think that is the only difference?
ETA: I think I have made my position clear on why not acknowledging these differences is the only thing the "system" is doing to keep the black man down, other than that the system is set up to help them. I am sure other people have ideas so I am not going to derail the thread and keep arguing or chiming in unless people have new valid points.
LINK
for real though read it, its a HUGE study. quote:
there are different meanings of "IQ" and different ways it can be measured and interpreted
Not really and no matter how you measure it there are differences between races
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and what does "race" mean? Did you see a study that indexed IQ to the amount of melanin in peoples skin?
The idea that the only difference between races is skin color is the dumbest thing I have ever heard in my life. How can anyone live on this planet and honestly think that is the only difference?
ETA: I think I have made my position clear on why not acknowledging these differences is the only thing the "system" is doing to keep the black man down, other than that the system is set up to help them. I am sure other people have ideas so I am not going to derail the thread and keep arguing or chiming in unless people have new valid points.
This post was edited on 7/21/16 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 7/21/16 at 5:14 pm to lsu480
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Is it racist to say that Asians are on average shorter than Norwegians? Would you, or anyone, disagree with that? Is it racist to say Africans on average weigh less than Samoans? Would you, or anyone, disagree with that? Probably not right? The facts are just as strong that there are average IQ differences by race but the vast majority of people would not agree
The problem is weight/height arent generally viewed on a scale of superiority-to-inferiority in the same way IQ is. The thing that separates humans on the food-chain is our IQ.
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