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Kobe with 80 percent the Athleticism
Posted on 7/12/16 at 7:04 am
Posted on 7/12/16 at 7:04 am
Hield has stated that Kobe was the guy he looked up to growing up. Watching him this week- with the gunner mentality, the killer instinct, the "get me the ball" story at our scrimmage, the baseline fadeaway jumper yesterday and some of his other midrange stuff, etc. --- I started to wonder 'What if he is just a less athletic Kobe?'
How good would that guy be?
Of course I expect him to be more of a team player and understand his role next to AD better than Kobe did with Shaq, but just in a pure basketball sense, how good would Kobe be if he was 80 percent the athlete? He probably would have compensated by working more on his range shooting, which Buddy has. But that mentality, that work ethic, that ultimate belief in himself -- all that, Buddy seems to share
Just a thought, since we always have to compare guys. That's what I was thinking all last night watching the game. So, what say you? How good/great would Kobe have been with 80 percent the athleticism?
How good would that guy be?
Of course I expect him to be more of a team player and understand his role next to AD better than Kobe did with Shaq, but just in a pure basketball sense, how good would Kobe be if he was 80 percent the athlete? He probably would have compensated by working more on his range shooting, which Buddy has. But that mentality, that work ethic, that ultimate belief in himself -- all that, Buddy seems to share
Just a thought, since we always have to compare guys. That's what I was thinking all last night watching the game. So, what say you? How good/great would Kobe have been with 80 percent the athleticism?
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Posted on 7/12/16 at 7:27 am to Crewz
Probably about 60-75% as good. I imagine athleticism operating on a curve in the NBA, so being 20% more athletic makes you in reality about 40% better. Hield gains some ground in his intangibles and bc he gets to start his career next to AD.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 8:46 am to TheJruth
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I imagine athleticism operating on a curve in the NBA, so being 20% more athletic makes you in reality about 40% better.
Yeay this came straight from your butt.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 9:24 am to Crewz
Kobe was a career 33% 3 pt shooter. I will admit to thinking some of Hield's fade away jumpers almost looked mirror image to Kobe's in their form, especially when they showed the bevy of them at the end in the highlight package last night. I think the player comparison stops and ends there. I could certainly see why the idea popped up in your head.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 9:54 am to ShamelessPel
Did you read the part where I said that if Kobe was less athletic, he would have probably compensated by working on his long range game more? When you are that explosive, you don't have to worry as much about being the best shooter
I guess I am talking about his core makeup. Kobe had great athleticism, but so did Bill Walker. What made Kobe an all time great was his mentality and heart and I see that in Hield. My least favorite type of guard is the one who misses a few shots and becomes gun shy. It stifles your whole offense when the defense knows that guy won't shoot
Hield seems to have supreme confidence in himself. Supreme work ethic, and the desire to take and make shots in big moments. I just see a lot of the same mentality as Kobe had, and it looks like he is modeling his mid range game after him too. Curious to see how it all plays out
I guess I am talking about his core makeup. Kobe had great athleticism, but so did Bill Walker. What made Kobe an all time great was his mentality and heart and I see that in Hield. My least favorite type of guard is the one who misses a few shots and becomes gun shy. It stifles your whole offense when the defense knows that guy won't shoot
Hield seems to have supreme confidence in himself. Supreme work ethic, and the desire to take and make shots in big moments. I just see a lot of the same mentality as Kobe had, and it looks like he is modeling his mid range game after him too. Curious to see how it all plays out
Posted on 7/12/16 at 9:55 am to Crewz
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He probably would have compensated by working more on his range shooting,
Kobe didn't work on his shooting? News to me.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 9:57 am to Crewz
I actually like the comparison.
We can look at Kobe's own career to see what an 80% athletic Kobe looks like. He's prolly been playing at 80% athleticism for the last couple years. Tough to derive anything from that because his teams have been so bad. But interesting anyway.
We can look at Kobe's own career to see what an 80% athletic Kobe looks like. He's prolly been playing at 80% athleticism for the last couple years. Tough to derive anything from that because his teams have been so bad. But interesting anyway.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:10 am to Crewz
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Hield seems to have supreme confidence in himself. Supreme work ethic, and the desire to take and make shots in big moments
As a 22 year old facing players two to four years younger than him in college.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:13 am to witchdoc
I think to say Hield is 80% Kobe athletic is underrating how athletic Kobe was.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:18 am to Crewz
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Did you read the part where I said that if Kobe was less athletic, he would have probably compensated by working on his long range game more? When you are that explosive, you don't have to worry as much about being the best shooter
I guess I am talking about his core makeup. Kobe had great athleticism, but so did Bill Walker. What made Kobe an all time great was his mentality and heart and I see that in Hield. My least favorite type of guard is the one who misses a few shots and becomes gun shy. It stifles your whole offense when the defense knows that guy won't shoot
I agree on all the intangibles, but it's tough to talk intangibles on a message board. What you're referring to is a large reason why Monty teams drove me fricking nuts. Guys looking over their shoulder 24/7 to see if they were getting yanked, pump faking open 3s galore, etc..
I like the fact that I think Hield could miss 8 in a row and take/make a big shot in the final 2 minutes anyways. You can see it in his demeanor with the coaching staff. They love the kid. Even then, you can see the stark difference between the 2. I saw Hield laughing and goofing it up on the sidelines with the coaches. I can't envision Kobe doing that.
I love that he's connected to Kobe and models his game after his approach. I like that Kobe gives him advice. I just don't see the physical connection in their games as much.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:24 am to MrWiseGuy
quote:What does that have to do with anything?
As a 22 year old facing players two to four years younger than him in college.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 5:43 pm to Crewz
A lot of the best years of Kobe's career came when he was probably at 80% of the athleticism he came into the league with. And he was never a super athlete to begin with. Buddy's less athletic than the lesser athletic Kobe. He's also shorter than Kobe.
Poor man's Kobe is a huge stretch. Not sure how we go from hoping he fills Gordon's role, a few days ago, to Kobe comparisons. All while being patronized for gleaning too much meaning from summer league games.
Poor man's Kobe is a huge stretch. Not sure how we go from hoping he fills Gordon's role, a few days ago, to Kobe comparisons. All while being patronized for gleaning too much meaning from summer league games.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 6:02 pm to eyeran
The "filling the Gordon role" is what people are talking about expecting THIS year. Not every year. I expect around 12-13 per game this year on average shooting with below average defense, but I do not expect that to be his whole career.
And to say Kobe was never a super athlete...wow. When I read that, I literally raised my eyebrows and almost fell out of my seat.
And to say Kobe was never a super athlete...wow. When I read that, I literally raised my eyebrows and almost fell out of my seat.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:41 pm to Crewz
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Kobe had great athleticism, but so did Bill Walker. What made Kobe an all time great was his mentality and heart
Come on.
Kobe was a great athlete. He was also one of the most skilled and most intelligent players in the league. Having a great mentality/heart doesn't grant you awesome footwork, excellent handle, or a genius basketball mind.
Hield can work as hard as he wants, he will likely never have the skills nor basketball intellect of Kobe freaking Bryant.
Posted on 7/13/16 at 2:37 am to Crewz
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Did you read the part where I said that if Kobe was less athletic, he would have probably compensated by working on his long range game more? When you are that explosive, you don't have to worry as much about being the best shooter
So... Buddy is nothing like Kobe then. Got it.
Posted on 7/13/16 at 2:40 am to Solo
Yeah I will never understand why crewz is worshipped on here other than being an insider in the organization.
(this is actually the first time I've seen more than five down votes on one of his posts)
(this is actually the first time I've seen more than five down votes on one of his posts)
Posted on 7/13/16 at 7:06 am to theducks
If you don't understand than this game is far more about the mental side than the physical side, then that proves your basketball ignorance. Like I said, Bill Walker was a physical specimen on par with almost anybody to come into the league in the last 10 years. But mentally, he was an infant. So, he flamed out.
Cousins could, in theory, he the best player in the league if he had someone like CP3's brain. I can go on and on. Sure, we can compare guys on a stat sheet or on their combine measureables, etc. But we can also compare them mentally. But that might be a little too advanced for a Portland fan. Not like you guys ever had a very talented team that imploded because of mental and maturity reasons. Oh wait...
Cousins could, in theory, he the best player in the league if he had someone like CP3's brain. I can go on and on. Sure, we can compare guys on a stat sheet or on their combine measureables, etc. But we can also compare them mentally. But that might be a little too advanced for a Portland fan. Not like you guys ever had a very talented team that imploded because of mental and maturity reasons. Oh wait...
Posted on 7/13/16 at 11:33 am to Crewz
I would love to hear you on BSS podcast with this comparison especially just to hear Schwann reaction to the Buddy/Kobe comparison. Please make it happen!nn
Posted on 7/13/16 at 11:35 am to Crewz
Is it true ESPN is doing a 30/30 on the JailBlazers?
Posted on 7/13/16 at 1:41 pm to Silverfoxx
That's HBO
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