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More about Roy King's dismissal - It was ALWAYS about the money
Posted on 6/11/16 at 12:56 am
Posted on 6/11/16 at 12:56 am
Since the band is suddenly a topic of conversation again, I thought it might be worth noting that the band department website no longer lists scholarships for Tiger Band. Instead, there are now "band department scholarships," with no mention of any requirement to play in Tiger Band.
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(Look under "prospective students" and go to "scholarships.")
Furthermore, there is no mention anywhere of the stipends that Tiger Band members have received for decades as token compensation for the many hours they put in. These were always listed in the past, so the omission can only be deliberate. (Remember that Damon Talley was once overheard by several witnesses complaining that Tiger Band was "underworked and overpaid.")
Again, as many have noted all along, all the bogus charges leveled at Roy King (an LSU alum and loyal employee for over 20 years) were just an excuse to get rid of him since he refused "play ball" and allow Tiger Band scholarship money be used for other purposes.
For what it's worth, I suspect that the stipends may in fact be continued this year, just to avoid too much outrage (although they might be reduced), but I would be greatly surprised if they did not disappear in the near future. So the money that has gone to reward Tiger Band members (and attract quality musicians to the band) in the past will now be used to recruit students for the SOM. (Remember, this is athletic department money!)
Why does this matter to the average fan? Some have noted that the band's quality has gone down a bit in recent years. While Tiger Band is still considered to be among the upper echelon of college marching bands, it's worth noting that Tiger Band's scholarship budget was basically cut in half around the time Roy took over. In particular, it became more difficult to recruit good musicians from out of state. (Imagine what an analogous reduction in scholarship aid would mean for the quality of the football team.) That problem will be greatly exacerbated in the future if this is allowed to stand, and you will definitely notice a difference in the quality of the band, if not this year, then very soon.
It's worth remembering that Todd Queen (dean of the SOM) did EXACTLY the same thing at his last position at Colorado State: he fired the marching band director and took direct control of the marching band's budget.
LINK
(Look under "prospective students" and go to "scholarships.")
Furthermore, there is no mention anywhere of the stipends that Tiger Band members have received for decades as token compensation for the many hours they put in. These were always listed in the past, so the omission can only be deliberate. (Remember that Damon Talley was once overheard by several witnesses complaining that Tiger Band was "underworked and overpaid.")
Again, as many have noted all along, all the bogus charges leveled at Roy King (an LSU alum and loyal employee for over 20 years) were just an excuse to get rid of him since he refused "play ball" and allow Tiger Band scholarship money be used for other purposes.
For what it's worth, I suspect that the stipends may in fact be continued this year, just to avoid too much outrage (although they might be reduced), but I would be greatly surprised if they did not disappear in the near future. So the money that has gone to reward Tiger Band members (and attract quality musicians to the band) in the past will now be used to recruit students for the SOM. (Remember, this is athletic department money!)
Why does this matter to the average fan? Some have noted that the band's quality has gone down a bit in recent years. While Tiger Band is still considered to be among the upper echelon of college marching bands, it's worth noting that Tiger Band's scholarship budget was basically cut in half around the time Roy took over. In particular, it became more difficult to recruit good musicians from out of state. (Imagine what an analogous reduction in scholarship aid would mean for the quality of the football team.) That problem will be greatly exacerbated in the future if this is allowed to stand, and you will definitely notice a difference in the quality of the band, if not this year, then very soon.
It's worth remembering that Todd Queen (dean of the SOM) did EXACTLY the same thing at his last position at Colorado State: he fired the marching band director and took direct control of the marching band's budget.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 1:14 am to TigerCard
I would think the SOM should be able to do what they want - but since they are funded by athletics, that would be AFTER the Tiger Band is funded.
Of course they could not use any athletic money if they feel that strongly about the band director.
Maybe then the Tiger Band should be like a club sport, do their own fundraising (TAF) and be independent of the SOM.
Of course they could not use any athletic money if they feel that strongly about the band director.
Maybe then the Tiger Band should be like a club sport, do their own fundraising (TAF) and be independent of the SOM.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 5:29 am to TigerCard
quote:The "Quality" or "Entertainment Value" of GBFTL half-time shows has little to do with who's on scholarship or how much the "Stipends/Service Awards" are. It's 100% on the Directors and the "Quality" of their Show Designs. The "Quality" of halftime shows HAD greatly declined under King.
Why does this matter to the average fan? Some have noted that the band's quality has gone down a bit in recent years. While Tiger Band is still considered to be among the upper echelon of college marching bands, it's worth noting that Tiger Band's scholarship budget was basically cut in half around the time Roy took over. In particular, it became more difficult to recruit good musicians from out of state. (Imagine what an analogous reduction in scholarship aid would mean for the quality of the football team.) That problem will be greatly exacerbated in the future if this is allowed to stand, and you will definitely notice a difference in the quality of the band, if not this year, then very soon.
Of course, you have to have "Quality Athletes" on the field or it's all for nothing. It requires a totally different type of "Musician" for Marching Band than it does for all the Symphonic Bands.
It's like comparing "Football" athletes to those of "Golf."
I agree with Talley. The band is "Under Worked." You can't produce entertaining shows if you only practice 4 days a week for an hour and a half. Has to be M-F for a minimum of 2 hours, plus the Saturday practice for "Cleaning."
Myself and most Tiger Band Alums wouldn't mind seeing the entire Tiger Band Organization totally removed from any School of Music control and put under LSU Athletic Department control 100%.
Put everybody on "Athletic Scholarships" just like all the athletic teams. Hire an experienced and talented Band Director, pay them a great salary, transition to all "Brass and Percussion" (Like Ohio State and other Marching Band's) increase practice time, recruit great high school marching band brass players/drummers and you're ready to go.
It would be just like any sport at LSU.
This can and should be done if you have the right Director and Staff in place. You'd have to hire a really talented and experienced Director (Just like the Football coach) and let him hire a great Staff. (Just like in Football) It WOULD work and there would be an immediate and noticible improvement in the quality of the half-time shows, because their only job would be to produce creative, imaginative and entertaining half-time shows that people would WANT to watch!.............
Posted on 6/11/16 at 5:58 am to TigerCard
You mentioned average fans, and as one of those it's my understanding that he was fired for playing favorites with the scholarships towards those band members who joined the wind ensemble that he led outside TB. If a student refused or joined another ensemble then he would cut them from Tiger Band and they would lose their scholarship all together. I have no way of knowing if it's true, but to the average onlooker like me that's not right and was plenty of reason to fire him.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 7:30 am to TigerCard
It wouldn't surprise me if the SOM was trying to phase out GBFT. Matching bands aren't that big of a deal as they use to be. As they pipe music into the stadium the roll of the GBFTL has greatly diminished.
I could definitely see where the upper echelon of the SOM would think GBFTL was a bit passé. One of those dirty little things you do to appease the uncultured. Performance music is in a different world than marching bands.
I could definitely see where the upper echelon of the SOM would think GBFTL was a bit passé. One of those dirty little things you do to appease the uncultured. Performance music is in a different world than marching bands.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 8:56 am to TigerCard
F King continuities to bend over the sports fan.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 10:10 am to TigerCard
Help me out here, band member get paid? I knew people get scholarships, but that would be ridiculous if they are get stipend as well.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 10:12 am to TigerCard
They give scholarships for band???
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Posted on 6/11/16 at 10:31 am to TigerCard
quote:hold on there chief. i have since found out that the s.o.m. did have a clause in the contract for the athletic dept allocation of funds for tiger band. so, they actually did have a say and roy was basically giving them the finger for years and they got tired of it. apparently, he was offering way more than he should have to some students and was offering some students to come back for a 5th and 6th year.
all the bogus charges leveled at Roy King (an LSU alum and loyal employee for over 20 years) were just an excuse to get rid of him since he refused "play ball" and allow Tiger Band scholarship money be used for other purposes
now, i do agree that some of the charges were trumped up but, there's certainly enough blame to go around.
quote:a lot of this is on roy. frankly, he's not a great director.
the band's quality has gone down a bit in recent years
quote:it's also my understanding that the 2 new directors are quite good, much better than roy so, this issue might be mitigated a bit and the band could actually get slightly better.
That problem will be greatly exacerbated in the future if this is allowed to stand, and you will definitely notice a difference in the quality of the band, if not this year, then very soon.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 12:17 pm to TigerCard
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So the money that has gone to reward Tiger Band members (and attract quality musicians to the band) in the past will now be used to recruit students for the SOM. (Remember, this is athletic department money!)
OR, the athletic department can cut off the funding.
Posted on 6/11/16 at 12:23 pm to TigerCard
Who cares that much about the band?
Posted on 6/11/16 at 12:31 pm to TigerCard
Sure it's about money, but now it's about money with a LATIN FLAIR!!!
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